david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T10:58:28-05:00 — #1
Continuing the discussion from Texas Church Shooting Leaves at Least 25 Dead, Official Says:
You will have a hard time proving that with Scripture. Jesus says the exact OPPOSITE in Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9. Paul also gives an exception in 1 Corinthians 7:15. So no, it is not adultery in every circumstance.
Singles clubs have nothing to do with divorce as they are single. How exactly do they "encourage" it if it is for singles? That makes no sense Dave.
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-20T12:57:14-05:00 — #2
Sexual immorality If was present. Neither Partner are anchored. God Can redeem the sexually immoral upon repentance and make her fit for remarriage. The one who separated because of the refusal to take part in sexual immorality is made free Immediately.
**This includes porn. Not just cheating. If the wife/husband no longer wishes to stay in this marriage because Porn caused a disruption, or any other sexual immoral act then they are free. God can redeem both.*
Unbelief - Neither are enslaved. God can save the unbeliever later and make him/her fit for marriage. The Believer is fit for marriage immediately.
Death immediately makes one free to remarry.
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:26:56-05:00 — #3
You provide an excellent example of what I'm talking about in your interpretation of these verses. We've been through this before in the Divorce & Remarriage thread of several months ago. Where we discussed Matthew 19:9 in depth.
Singles include a majority of divorced "singles". How many divorces do you have in your church? I know the number is staggering in the churches I've vetted looking for fellowship.
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:28:56-05:00 — #4
Only death breaks the marriage bond. So divorce is permissible on grounds of sexual immorality. But remarriage is not an option. If you believe divorce and remarriage are an option, you provide another excellent example of what I'm talking about. Many churches send more people to hell through divorce and remarriage than they do Heaven because of this.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:34:15-05:00 — #5
And you have not provided sufficient evidence to your claim in any of those discussions.
I think you are looking for the wrong things.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:35:44-05:00 — #6
Except Scripture says the exact opposite.
Except Christ said it was.
Um, didn't know divorce was an unpardonable sin.... Nor did I know that churches send people to heaven or hell.
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:37:18-05:00 — #7
It does not.
He did not.
Divorce is not a sin if for the right reason. But remarriage is. Sin unrepented of is not forgiven.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:38:23-05:00 — #8
I gave references where it specifically does.
Christ said otherwise regarding remarriage, see above...
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:40:16-05:00 — #9
I'm aware of these references and they do not justify remarriage of divorced people.
This is what I'm talking about. It is a skewed interpretation of these verses driving the high divorce rate in churches.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:43:01-05:00 — #10
Except it says that it does in those specific cases. Do you know simple grammar? How does it NOT say that?
If it does not say that, why would the exception clause be in there at all?
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:44:25-05:00 — #11
We've been through this before in the Divorce and Remarriage thread. There is nothing new to discuss.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:47:05-05:00 — #12
You are the one bringing up the same false claims so back it up when challenged, don't run away. That's cowardly and not a good witness for the Gospel if indeed you are correct. Which of course, you are not.
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:47:36-05:00 — #13
I'm only answering your questions.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:51:20-05:00 — #14
Except you aren't....You just say I'm wrong but not how or why...
dave_l — 2017-11-20T13:51:56-05:00 — #15
You say you are right. I say you are wrong.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T13:58:35-05:00 — #16
No, Scripture says you are wrong. Here is what it says:
Matthew 5:32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.
So it is not me saying you are wrong, but Scripture.
dave_l — 2017-11-20T14:12:36-05:00 — #17
Try using the KJV or MEV (majority text).
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T14:19:34-05:00 — #18
It doesn't change it:
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
dave_l — 2017-11-20T14:24:28-05:00 — #19
But, if only death breaks the marriage bond, your interpretation is misleading.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-11-20T14:29:16-05:00 — #20
Where do you get from the whole of Scripture that death is the only thing that breaks the bond?
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