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justin_gatlin — 2017-08-12T19:10:23-04:00 — #1
Here is something I wrote to post on Facebook to help the people of my church and in my sphere of influence to think carefully about the riot in Charlottesville.
Is there a middle way between ignoring the good things a deeply flawed person did and putting up statues of them that grieve the hearts of those they hurt? Is there a middle way between ignoring the philosophical underpinnings of our society and worshiping heritage? Is there a middle way between chanting "You will not replace us" and the deification of alien cultures? Is there a middle way between believing someone is wrong and undermining their worth as a person and an image bearer of God?
Is there a way to live together, lay down our own preferences, value one another and engage in spirited, but respectful debate about the key beliefs that guide us in the difficult decisions we all must face?
There is, but it will take patience with each other and kindness to each other. It will have no room for envy, boasting or shameful behavior. It will have to give up on self-seeking, choose not to be easily provoked and refuse to think evil of the other side. It will have to have real joy in it - not in evil, but in Truth. This way would have to bear all kinds of things, believe the best in all things, hope in all things and endure through everything.
Such a way is not easy, automatic or comfortable. It could not be led by people whose leaders and heroes are marked by divisiveness and pride. The only one who could lead such a path would have to be meek and lowly of heart, taking on the pain and shame of the outcast even to the point of the most painful and shameful death imaginable. It is a way that could only be taken by people who reject any claims of self-righteousness and freely confess that their only worth is that Someone has already come down this way for them.
While knowledge puffs us up, this way would build up. This way would say "If eating meat offends my brother, I will never eat meet again while the world stands." This way would say "I will rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep." This way would bless the ones who curse us, do good to the ones who do evil to us and pray for those who despitefully use us.
You know what it is. Why not try it?
dave_l — 2017-08-14T06:46:41-04:00 — #2
As long as people believe there are different races, there will be bigotry. "Us and them" . But scripture teaches we are all "them". There is only one race, the human race. And apart from that we are of diverse ethnicities, but remain one common blood.
He has made from one blood every nation of men to live on the entire face of the earth, having appointed fixed times and the boundaries of their habitation, Acts 17:26 (MEV)
bkmitchell — 2017-08-14T07:14:12-04:00 — #3
Heather Heyer, Charlottesville Victim, Is Recalled as ‘a Strong Woman’
bkmitchell — 2017-08-14T07:18:48-04:00 — #4
Far-Right Groups Surge Into National View in Charlottesville
bkmitchell — 2017-08-14T07:21:50-04:00 — #5
bkmitchell — 2017-08-14T07:23:27-04:00 — #6
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-16T14:54:57-04:00 — #7
Here's some info some may not like which touches on the current wave of "fight against the south" and various other kinds of fights / wars going on inside the USA :...
Of course, some here may not even read the linked article, because they don't like the author PC Roberts
In America Propaganda Has Vanquished Truth
bill_coley — 2017-08-16T15:40:43-04:00 — #8
Of course, some others here might conclude from the article to which you linked (and his other writings) that Paul Craig Roberts does not deserve to be read, Wolfgang. This latest essay is more of Roberts' error-laden, revisionist history. He has a right to his point of view, but he does not have a right to expect that all readers will value or even respect his distorted and uninformed point of view.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-16T16:31:13-04:00 — #9
Looking on from the outside may be an advantage to see "the woods" and have a better view of "the overall picture" compared to being inside the woods and not being able to see the woods for the many trees blocking one's view
It's the same with biblical matters .... being inside a denomination or theological dogma framework makes it oftentimes very difficult to gain a proper understanding of certain truths because they are clouded by dogma and tradition. Once outside of the constraints and restraints of the church, denomination, dogma framework and free to think for oneself and evaluate various information enables a person to reach a better and more true understanding because the veil of dogma and tradition no longer holds a person captive
bill_coley — 2017-08-16T17:32:22-04:00 — #10
But facts are facts, Wolfgang. What happened (and what DIDN'T happen) is what happened (and didn't happen). There is no political viewpoint whose defense justifies false depiction of either reality or history. Yet, Mr. Roberts routinely engages in just such depiction. At some point - and in my view, it already has - his voice loses moral authority, much as in the U.S. I believe, we're about to witness a precipitous decline in President Trump's moral authority now that his response to the horror of Charlottesville (et al!) has demonstrated that he holds views antithetical to American values.
There will always be communities who welcome views such as those held by Roberts and Trump, whether inside or outside the U.S. or denominational structures. But I am convinced that the power and authority of God will strengthen those who stand against their views. Our nation will free itself of Trump's moral and ethical ugliness, and Paul Craig Roberts will be read as the uninformed, politically partisan, historical revisionist that he is.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-17T03:31:09-04:00 — #11
as I said previously .... and yes, facts are facts. Quite often, however, you will not read the facts in the mass media propaganda, which indeed serve "fake-news" in overwhelming quantity.
Also, you are displaying a rather short-sighted perspective which doesn't seem to go back beyond last January and the beginning Trump'spresidency. History goes back further than that ... and what currently is happening in the USA in regards to the "white supremacy talk" is yet another move by the deep state to overthrow any little bit of order that is still left in hopefully a large enough number of American citizens who have common sense and good morals left.
Eh, why was actually nothing done during Obama's 8 year reign to remove these statues etc which are supposedly symbols of awful white supremecy ??? Those who are now rising up are just about all supporters of the Obama regime, why did they not stir up riots then when it would have been far more appropriate and fitting with the political situation? Instead, now someone behind the scenes instigates and finances riots (no different than what was done shortly months ago with some "women's something" (which now has been already forgotten by most) ... and certainly NOT to achieve anything good, but rather to overthrow the current president and solidify the coup under way in the USA.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-17T06:08:10-04:00 — #12
here are some more interesting questions concerning the case ....
Ah, so, why did the liberal/progressives align with the military/security complex and the neoconservatives against Donald Trump who declared, to his undoing, his intention to normalize relations with Russia, thus removing the enemy needed to justify the $1 trillion annual budget of the military/security complex? These vast monies could have gone into health care for the unprovided, into public assistance for the unprovided, but the liberal/progressive/left would not have it. If the liberal/progressives are so against violence and hate, why do they support the hate campaign against Trump and Russia?
Has Identity Politics made the liberal/progressive/left deaf, dumb, and blind such that their reality is limited to the emotions that Identity Politics produces?
This is a valid question. It is not meant to be derogatory. It is meant to lead to an understanding of our plight as a country. How does a country in which blacks are taught to hate whites, women are taught to hate men, and whose history is explained as white oppression successfully deal with the defining issues of our time?
Source: Charlottesville 2
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-17T08:35:11-04:00 — #13
Does this American have his historical facts right or wrong?
Yesterday at 4:29am · Your history lesson for the day.
Robert E Lee was married to George Washington's granddaughter. He worked with Grant during the Mexican-American war and became a decorated war hero defending this country He believed slavery was a great evil and his wife broke the law by teaching slaves to read and write. After the civil war he worked with Andrew Johnson's program of reconstruction. He became very popular with the northern states and the Barracks at West Point were named in his honor in 1962. He was a great man who served this country his entire life in some form or other. His memorial is now being called a blight. No American military veteran should be treated as such. People keep yelling, "You can't change history." Sadly you can. This is no better than book burnings. ISIS tried rewriting history by destroying historical artifacts. Is that really who we want to emulate?
As they tear down this "blight" keep these few historical facts in your mind. No military veteran and highly decorated war hero should ever be treated as such. This is not Iraq and that is not a statue of Sadam.
IN ADDITION:: Lee was also very torn about the prospect of the South leaving the Union. His wifes grandfather George Washington was a huge influence on him. He believed that ultimately, states rights trumped the federal government and chose to lead the Southern army. His estate, Arlington, near Washington DC was his home and while away fighting the war, the federal government demanded that Lee himself pay his taxes in person. He sent his wife but the money was not accepted from a woman. When he could not pay the taxes, the government began burying dead Union soldiers on his land. The government is still burying people there today. It is now called Arlington National Cemetery. DO THEY WANT TO TEAR THAT UP ALSO ??
Source: Your history lessonfor today
gao_lu — 2017-08-17T08:41:33-04:00 — #14
I think it comes down to emotions out of control. In the hearts of a certain demographic is a deep seething anger (whose origin is a recent wildfire-growth of lust for sin--this a spiritual battle) and we are just seeing symptoms. What we see in the media is a a sort of terrorism using threats and politics in a way far more violent than bullying, thus I call it terrorism because the objective is to terrorize some perceived enemy, which is presently personified by President Trump.
Charlottesville is a harbinger and a microcosm for what is quickly growing at the hand of media terrorism. Left unchecked, terrorism will take down our nation, as we know it. What the media and certain liberals are doing is not different from the violence at Charlottsville. Same kind of people. Perhaps many of the same people.
- It is my view that this "enemy of America" and these guerilla acts of terror must be neutralized.
- I would like to see a major media source rise up with journalism better than what would earn an "F" in 6th grade.
tyrone_howard — 2017-08-17T09:44:34-04:00 — #15
In my view I see 3 Things fueled Charlottesville, which was really just a showcase for the causes that fuel the hate crimes, the terrorism, the violence and abuse of power from those in authority seen in America and All over the world....but only 1 is needed to fix.
we Must remember these acts have taken place worldwide, they are just now at America's doorstep - and we ought not to panic...some even have gone on all along - the media has just chosen to highlight to further the destruction of america as we know it
1) Lack of Education:
How can you expects blacks, whites, mexicans, asians or any subculture to know their history when it is not taught, and instead replaced with HIS-Story which breed ignorance . When our youth are not taught correctly the mistakes of the past, the events which occurred in an unbiased fashion then regardless of the wealth of knowledge they gain about capitalism, economics,english, and math they are still left Ignorant.
I never knew any of these facts about Robert E. Lee. However, there is a Monument for Abraham Lincoln that's like 100 feet tall and he owned slaves. If they taught about Robert E. Lee they would need to reject the hypocrisy of Abraham Lincoln.
Racism, sexism, bigotry these are not innate natural instincts and instead must be taught. There are many other of these 'isms', and ideologies which are instilled in our youth in both sub-cultural societies of minorities and majorities, in separate ethnic circles, this miseducation leaves one Ignorance breeds Fear. Instead of teaching what we ought to teach, and instead of parents doing teaching at home with their children, their entire education is left up to a curriculum manipulated by those in power. This miseducation, which furthers the ignorance of a child - leads to Fear of the unknown.
But God did not give us a spirit of Fear....but of Love, Power and a Sound Mind
of the above two, to further an agenda of satan's and the principalities of darkness, and wickedness in high places to return the world into darkness. . .The societies which are deemed free must be torn down and replaced by governments which restrict freedoms, because then the societies can be controlled from the top down. By the Ignorance, our youth are left without power and authority to make a choice to be a difference, through ignorance which Breeds Fear of the unknown creates a being void of Love, which then gives birth to Hate
Fear, ,Ignorance Hate
Fear, Ignorance and Hate are ideologies and spirits which are condemned and taught against by Jesus Christ and the disciples and any believer in Jesus for that matter. as believers we cannot conform to any of these for both the drug addict is saveable, the adulterer is saveable, the Violent Anti-Fa is saveable, the White-Supremacist is saveable.
The power of the Love of Jesus is our hope.
Jesus knew of what was to come, which is why Love, Power and a Sound Mind - which combat Fear, Hate and Ignorance were core values given to believers to seek after
As believers we must remember the most valuable thing is souls and we cannot,and this is only possible through the power of the Holy Ghost, get caught up in or distracted by the very events foretold in scriptures as if we've had no warning, and takes sides.
We cannot become uneasy we must stay focused, on getting the gospel out. Can you take a stand for whats right, certainly - but this should be done in your every day life, by your every day actions which should effect those who are all around you, not just at a rally with those you've never known. Most people who went to this rally, their own family had no idea they felt this way[often times one way or the other], because it was hidden. Had someone with love continually poured it out to them, they may not have even been found at this rally under the pretense of "Unite the Right" because love would have exposed the darkness and hate and dispelled it. These evil live among us because we don't do enough daily. We wait for the pulpits and the podiums to attempt to make a difference, but that's really just fame seeking. The real changes take place with the one- on -ones. Imagine someone filled with hate that after a year you finally convince, them not to go to church, but to join you in the streets caring for those less fortunate, of opposite ethnicity. The impact of the love you show, will most certainly dispose of the hate within them
Now, as is sure to happen,When confronted with this evil directly, it should not be met with an equal force of Hate for that person due to their views or ideals but love for the soul. The Love for them, can drive out even the fiercest of Hate. The smallest amount of light can dispel even the darkest of places.
bill_coley — 2017-08-17T14:22:26-04:00 — #16
I disagree. I believe bigotry, prejudice, intolerance, and hatred motivate neo-Nazis and white supremacists. In my view, those aren't emotions that occasionally get "out of control;" they are intolerable diseases of the heart, soul, and mind. I'm confident we have common ground here, though your reference to "emotions" is a separation point.
It's striking to me that the "terrorism" about which you comment first and most in your post is what you call "media terrorism" whose intention is to bully President Trump. The "terrorism" that killed 32 year-old Heather Heyer and injured several others when a white supremacist mowed them down with his vehicle receives only your post's glancing attention. In fact, you chose not even to mention her, her death, or the ideology that fueled both the driver who killed her and those who marched the night before her death, carrying torches and chanting hate-infused, Nazi-inspired slogans. I'm confident most Americans would assert that the "terrorism" that killed Heather Heyer is FAR more dangerous than any media tactics whose intent is to "bully" the president.
Here you seem to equate the actions of "the media and certain liberals" with the terrorism that killed Heather Heyer (you say the two are "not different"). Your view corresponds well with the president's in that on multiple occasions he has avowed some form of equivalence between the two "sides" of last weekend's tragedy. My view, as stated above, is that the "terrorism" of neo-Nazi and supremacist groups is more of a threat than the actions of the media. But don't take my word for it. Ask the family and friends of Heather Heyer.
In addition, I think it's important to note that the most damaging thing the media did to the president over the last five days was to quote his tweets, word-for-word, and to broadcast, unedited, his public statements. If of any form, the president has been the victim of self-inflicted "terrorism."
Since in your view what they are doing is "not different from the violence at Charlottesville," it seems to me fair to ask how many people have "the media and certain liberals" murdered or injured by their acts of "terror," either in vehicles, through explosive devices, or by any other means?
gao_lu — 2017-08-17T18:35:06-04:00 — #17
Not bully. Terrorize...and not just terror against Trump but terror in America. Trump just happens to be President. What ISIS cannot do, the media is doing. I cannot prove a direct link from media terror in America to Heather's death, yet I am as certain as you probably know deep in your own heart, the media is largely culpable. Maybe the specific Charlottesville incident would have happened anyway, maybe not. What is certain is that many more such acts will occur because of acts of media terror against America.
What is also likely is that this war, these acts of terrorism by the media against America, would eventually tear down every statue standing including every great leader (all of whom had sins) and eventually attempt to destroy teachers and parents and crosses and Jesus. Does this ring any bells for you from history? In the end what this is all about is spiritual warfare and these are ultimately against Jesus. Eph 6:10-12.
A general orders men from headquarters. A commander sends his divisions into battle. A Captain trains his men by voice commands, disciplines and indoctrinates them. A Sergeant leads them into battle. Then the men fight and kill each other. The media is taking the discipline and indoctrination role. Look what happened to Heather. It is working. So, yes, The media is probably largely culpable for Heather's death and the violence that occurred there.
Pandora's box is open and we have only seen the beginning of such media (and their ilk) damage to come unless God sovereignly reins in it.
Note: I am all for free press and expression of opinions and using media to keep government accountable--until such expression is used for terror or bullying. Twitter and Facebook block terror speech. So should America block terror speech from our media. Unfortunately, emotionally inflammatory speech from the media is very effective (consider how ISIS works this same way) and hard to prevent--which is why I call it guerilla-warfare acts of terror. Hate is an emotion. Hate is what we see being played out on the streets. Those acts of violence are not nice people proposing or protesting ideology on the streets (as you say, Bill). Look at any political news comments and you will see ISSI level hatred. Nazi level hatred. Racist hatred. And what fans all that hatred? The hate-filled (though technically subtle --think Hitler and Stalin) media pieces upon which the masses are commenting.
1. NYT exposed
2. Very weak defense that does more to acknowledge media responsibility for Charlottesville than to defend against it.
bill_coley — 2017-08-17T23:21:09-04:00 — #18
Your response is astonishing in how little - actually no - responsibility/blame for Heather Heyer's death you assign to the driver of the car, the man who is a white nationalist, at the very least. No media outlet or content forced him to run down those people; only his hatred had the power to do that. But you choose, for the second consecutive post, not to mention him or his particular collection of hatred, or to hold him personally accountable for her death. That's truly an astonishing position.
Thanks for sharing your views.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-18T04:03:46-04:00 — #19
their "US presidents" (Clinton, Bush, Obama) account for millions of deaths due to terrorism instigated by their administrations. And their "presstitutes" are compliant in it promoting and hiding the crimes at the same time ...
Here's some more from PC Roberts which explains a few things ...
A House Divided against Itself Cannot Stand
Where were the leftist/progressive/ etc folks during the last 16+ years when not just one person was killed by a terrorist, but rather hundreds of thousands were killed by USA bombing seven countries into the middle ages?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-18T04:14:09-04:00 — #20
What about all the talk of "white supremacists" ? Don't those white leftist/progressives realize that they are in the same camp ??? the world at large makes no difference between "good whites" and "bad whites" ... they are at large under the hegemony of the "western white supremacy" (remember, Obama even declared that the USA was the indispensable country, nation ... and he certainly did not mean the non-white USA, did he?
Read the following article .... it may shed some hitherto unknown light on things ....
The Story of Charlottesville Was Written in Blood in the Ukraine
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