News & Current Events
bkmitchell — 2017-08-24T07:19:56-04:00 — #1
> ...on Aug. 22, U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to shut down the federal government if Congress refuses to send him a spending bill that funds the U.S.-Mexico border wall on which he staked his presidential campaign. Trump, a Republican, laid the blame on Democrats for the lack of construction money. Democrats responded, in essence, "make our day." With funding for the government running out Sept. 30, the U.S. facing a separate deadline to raise the nation’s debt limit, and Congress not due back from recess until Sept. 5, the next six weeks could get very bumpy.(link)
alex_vaughn — 2017-08-24T08:57:27-04:00 — #2
The Republicans control all three branches of the Federal government. If they cannot keep the government running, then it is their fault.
Also, it sounds like some Republicans don't want to build a wall either. http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/border-wall-republicans/index.html
justin_gatlin — 2017-08-24T10:30:58-04:00 — #3
@Alex_Vaughn, that is slightly disingenuous since democratic leadership has discussed preventing cloture.
bill_coley — 2017-08-24T11:22:27-04:00 — #4
As I understand the position of Senate Democrats, they would not invoke cloture on clean debt limit increase measures. But should Republicans, perhaps at the insistence of the White House, tie a debt ceiling increase to controversial measures such as money for the border wall which on multiple occasions during the campaign the president promised would be paid "100%" by Mexico, then Senate Democrats would use any procedural motions at their disposal, including cloture.
So the issue as far as a government shutdown is whether Republicans in Congress and the White House will continue the long-standing precedent of proposing clean debt ceiling increases - in which case there will be no shutdown - or move to tie a debt ceiling increase to controversial measures that could increase the likelihood of a shutdown.
Bottom Line: Given that the House, Senate, and White House are all in GOP control, if there's a shut down, for all practical purposes it will be the GOP's fault, as Alex said.
alex_vaughn — 2017-08-24T11:34:45-04:00 — #5
So, Trump and the Republicans will need to negotiate. Sen. Min Leader Schumer has made it clear that a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling will get full support from Democrats. This will allow the government to honor appropriation bills that are in law.
Alternately, the Senate can choose to ignore their rules by introducing a point of order, which can then by voted through by majority vote and cannot be blocked by filibuster.
gao_lu — 2017-08-24T15:53:40-04:00 — #6
I remember many years ago when a large section of the border was a broken barbed wire fence. A wide Cat track was largely filled with dry weeds swaying in the breezes under a roasting sun. Not a soul to be seen, not even a jackrabbit, but lots of foot tracks went both ways in the sand. I climbed through the fence and wondered around so I could say I had been "in" Mexico. Last time I was there the border was very different. Tall, sturdy fences, bare, groomed dirt, police jeeps roaring here and there. I hope we don't build a wall.
gao_lu — 2017-11-13T23:37:48-05:00 — #7
I am NOT in favor of building a wall, but this raises interesting questions. Thoughts?