will_scholten — 2017-08-22T21:34:19-04:00 — #1
I don't think anything can shock in my study of "why I believe what I believe" anymore!
Easter, I have talked to different pastors and teachers, yes they tell me, it as pagan roots.
Really, we know it has pagan roots and we keep it anyway.
Is there anywhere in the scriptures that even hint that, that is ok with YHWH.
What does Etymology tell us about Easter?
Easter (n.) Look up Easter at Dictionary.comOld English Easterdæg, from Eastre (Northumbrian Eostre), from Proto-Germanic *austron-, "dawn," also the name of a goddess of fertility and spring, perhaps originally of sunrise, whose feast was celebrated at the spring equinox, from *aust- "east, toward the sunrise" (compare east), from PIE root *aus- (1) "to shine," especially of the dawn.
No wonder we have sun rise services on Easter. WOW!!!
The Online Etymology Dictionary
Look up Sunday at Dictionary.comfirst day of the week, Old English sunnandæg (Northumbrian sunnadæg), literally "day of the sun," from sunnan, oblique case of sunne "sun" (see sun (n.)) + dæg "day" (see day). A Germanic loan-translation of Latin dies solis "day of the sun," which is itself a loan-translation of Greek hemera heliou. Compare Old Saxon sunnun dag, Old Frisian sunnandei, Old Norse sunnundagr, Dutch zondag, German Sonntag "Sunday."
In European Christian cultures outside Germanic often with a name meaning "the Lord's Day" (Latin Dominica). Sunday-school dates from 1783 (originally for secular instruction); Sunday clothes is from 1640s. Sunday driver is from 1925.
Then I thought I would try church!!
The Online Etymology Dictionary
Search: church (v.)
Look up church at Dictionary.com"to bring or lead to church," mid-14c., from church (n.). Related: Churched.church (n.) Look up church at Dictionary.comOld English cirice, circe "church, public place of worship; Christians collectively," from Proto-Germanic *kirika (source also of Old Saxon kirika, Old Norse kirkja, Old Frisian zerke, Middle Dutch kerke, Dutch kerk, Old High German kirihha, German Kirche), probably [see note in OED] from Greek kyriake (oikia), kyriakon doma "Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord," from PIE root *keue- "to swell" ("swollen," hence "strong, powerful"); see cumulus. Phonetic spelling from c. 1200, established by 16c. For vowel evolution, see bury. As an adjective from 1570s.
Greek kyriakon (adj.) "of the Lord" was used of houses of Christian worship since c.300, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ekklesia or basilike. An example of the direct Greek-to-Germanic progress of many Christian words, via the Goths; it probably was used by West Germanic people in their pre-Christian period.
Also picked up by Slavic, probably via Germanic (Old Church Slavonic criky, Russian cerkov). Finnish kirkko, Estonian kirrik are from Scandinavian. Romance and Celtic languages use variants of Latin ecclesia (such as French église, 11c.).
Church-bell was in late Old English. Church-goer is from 1680s. Church key is early 14c.; slang use for "can or bottle opener" is by 1954, probably originally U.S. college student slang. Church-mouse, proverbial in many languages for its poverty, is 1731 in English.
At first glance, that does not look so bad does it!!
Until you find out what circe means, if you are like me, this will shock you!!
The Online Etymology Dictionary
Search: Circe (n.)
Look up Circe at Dictionary.comenchantress of the isle of Aea who transformed into swine those who drank from her cup ("Odyssey"), late 14c., from Latin Circe, from Greek Kirke. Related: Circean.femme fatale (n.) Look up femme fatale at Dictionary.com"attractive and dangerous woman," 1895, from French femme fatale, attested by 1844, from French femme "woman," from Latin femina "woman, a female" (see feminine) + fatale (see fatal).
Une femme fatale est une femme qui porte malheur. [Jules Claretie, "La Vie a Paris," 1896]
Earlier, such a woman might be called a Circe.
Still not to bad, right!!
Oh, she is just the daughter of the sun god Helios!!!!!!!
How many people out there know this already?
The church I grew up in that I left in 2010, a few years ago, voted to change the name, I didn't think to much of it at the time, but "church " was going to be taken out if it passed the vote, it did not pass. the pastor was the one who wanted to change it!!!
I know a lot of churches have been changing there names lately, I will have to see if any got rid of "church".
Remember all the old churches had steeples on them, how many new churches do you see with steeples on them?
Remember, YHWH does not accept blended worship!!
I know we all heard of Helios before, remember, heleocentric
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Heliocentric" redirects here. For the albums, see Heliocentric (Paul Weller album) and Heliocentric (The Ocean Collective album). For heliocentric orbit, see Heliocentric orbit.
Andreas Cellarius's illustration of the Copernican system, from the Harmonia Macrocosmica (1708).
Heliocentrism is the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun at the center of the Solar System. Historically, Heliocentrism was opposed to geocentrism, which placed the Earth at the center. The notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun had been proposed as early as the 3rd century BCE by Aristarchus of Samos, but at least in the medieval world, Aristarchus's Heliocentrism attracted little attention—possibly because of the loss of scientific works of the Hellenistic Era.
It was not until the 16th century that a geometric mathematical model of a heliocentric system was presented, by the Renaissance mathematician, astronomer, and Catholic cleric Nicolaus Copernicus, leading to the Copernican Revolution. In the following century, Johannes Kepler elaborated upon and expanded this model to include elliptical orbits, and Galileo Galilei presented supporting observations made using a telescope.
With the observations of William Herschel, Friedrich Bessel, and others, astronomers realized that the sun, although near the center of the solar system, was not the center of the universe.
I believe the scriptures are very clear, the the earth is the center of YHWH'S creation and it will not be moved, doesn't scripture tell us the sun moves and is not the center of creation!!
I think it is time to repent, and give YHWH'S Word the authority, it commands!!!
dave_l — 2017-08-23T05:27:04-04:00 — #2
How do you know you are reading it right? Jesus needed to open the apostle's understanding of the scriptures before they could know what the words meant. And most today read the scriptures just as the unbelieving Jews did.
will_scholten — 2017-08-23T06:57:53-04:00 — #3
or go to youtube and search"The Biblical Resurrection.wmv"
or go to youtube and search "Bible Study Challenge, Name That Verse"
( Triumphant Entry, Sunday replaces Sabbath, and Times and Law/Torah changed by Messiah)
Explain why these two studies, both have 3 days and 3 nights work perfect, and what the church says Good Friday and the day of the sun,which doesn't!!
dave_l — 2017-08-23T07:09:14-04:00 — #4
Great job Will. I think many assume they too are using scripture alone. Every denomination claims this. Yet all arrive at different interpretations.
justin_gatlin — 2017-08-23T09:17:19-04:00 — #5
The Greek goddess is named Kirke in Greek, and the root word for church is kiriake in Greek. You can't blend definitions from different languages because they look alike (although they did not sound alike); the two words are always distinct.
Did you read the first paragraph on the homepage of the online etymology dictionary?
will_scholten — 2017-08-23T21:49:39-04:00 — #6
Yes, and how does the church try to get around it? They try to twist the scripture to make it fit their beliefs, BUT CANNOT DO IT! Yahusha gave them a sign, as Jonah was 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS in the whale, so He would be in the center of the earth 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS. This is impossible from good friday , even until Sunday morning.
They will even tell us with the Jews even a part of a day counts as a full day.
Why did Lazarus have to be dead at least 3 days, because the Jews thought the spirit was hanging around until the 3rd day, and could even re enter the dead body, Where would be the proof from Friday till Sunday morning ( even though He rose before the 1st day of the week.
But Justin lets look at Matthew 28:1
John 20:1 It was Sabbath, as darkness was arriving/coming!
Does scripture say, Yahusha rose on the day of the sun, at sun rise?
So why does the church say the day of the sun is the lord's day?
We know Baal means Lord, how do we get Lord, from YHWH, or God from Elohim and Jesus for Yahusha?
They are nowhere even a little close, are they!
Constantine the great worshipped the sun, didn't he!
He is also known for blending things isn't he!!
dave_l — 2017-08-24T06:54:25-04:00 — #7
You can run the institutional church in the ground for all of their false teachings. And do us a favor by doing it. But you cannot equate Christianity with the cults that misrepresent it, no matter how big or influential they might be.
will_scholten — 2017-08-24T17:27:43-04:00 — #8
You got me wrong Dave, If I didn't love and care for the people in the church, I wouldn't bring these topics up here.
I am just throwing things out there that I see as red flags, and why do we say this or that when it contradict the scriptures
I want people to be aware of it. Yes, I know I am making people uncomfortable, but what is the solution?
It has always puzzled me how the English translators alway know how to translate Joshua in the old and new testaments, as long as it is talking about a person from the old testament, but always use Jesus for Yahusha's name.
Here is my screen shot,
Does anyone beside me, find this puzzling?
We know Yahusha was born a Jew, and was born with a Hebrew name, grew up and got Disciples, they were also Israelites, they would have called Him by His birth name. He would have had no reason to be called Jesus, as far as I know, there is no "J" in Hebrew, We have no record of a name change happening for Him, the same spelling is still Joshua in the screen shot.
This tells us in secular writings, it is still Joshua.
So where did Jesus really come from, and who has the authority to make the change?
dave_l — 2017-08-25T04:47:12-04:00 — #9
This is where study and dedication comes in. They conceal this type of information in books.
will_scholten — 2017-08-25T06:18:53-04:00 — #10
Thanks Dave, but that doesn't give me any comfort, because I don't see it in the scriptures, but from man.
dave_l — 2017-08-25T06:23:11-04:00 — #11
Well, if you use books to learn original languages. And if you use original language dictionaries, then you can arrive at an understanding about how different people at different times transposed his name.
will_scholten — 2017-08-25T06:46:57-04:00 — #12
But does man have the authority to change "the Name"?
I found this helpful;
dave_l — 2017-08-25T06:54:52-04:00 — #13
The meaning is the same. Only that different languages need adjustments to make the meaning understandable. When people study, they can see how several names point to the same God.
I read the Septuagint sometimes as my preferred translation of the OT. And I look up names to see if it is speaking about the same person I think it is..........
will_scholten — 2017-08-25T12:51:50-04:00 — #14
I think that is awesome, that you do that!!
But who tells us that? Only man, right!
In the Hebrew, the Son came in the Father's name, thus Yahusha= Yah is salvation.
And in Hebrew, we have YHWH telling us what they mean!!
In the English Bible Jesus= ??
In English, we can make a word mean whatever we say, it means, right, but in Hebrew, all the letters mean a certain thing.
I just does not make sense to me!!!
dave_l — 2017-08-25T14:17:39-04:00 — #15
The same resources you are using to state your position.
will_scholten — 2017-08-25T14:33:52-04:00 — #16
But the Creator, never said it would change!!
One name for ALL mankind!!
dave_l — 2017-08-25T14:39:39-04:00 — #17
People only understand their own language. And so they won't understand strange sounding names unless they have training in the original languages.
will_scholten — 2017-08-25T20:45:35-04:00 — #18
22 “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.
Here is a screenshot to help us understand "profaned"
How do you think THEY profaned YHWH'S name?
You say the OT is good for commentary and history, would it be wise for us to learn from their mistakes?
The New International Version. (2011). (Eze 36:22–23). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
dave_l — 2017-08-26T06:34:03-04:00 — #19
By worshiping satan and idols while calling them by God's name.
will_scholten — 2017-08-26T07:28:56-04:00 — #20
They REJECTED His name, what are we doing today??
There is a footnote after Blasphemies See Isa 37:23; Ro 2:24
I ask you what is Romans 2:24 saying to you??
Please read the following verses and take out lord and use YHWH,
31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice,
and let them say among the nations, “The LORD reigns!”
32 Let the sea roar, and all that fills it;
let the field exult, and everything in it!
33 Then shall the trees of the forest sing for joy
before the LORD, for he comes to judge the earth.
34 Oh give thanks to the LORD, for he is good;
for his steadfast love endures forever!
**35 Say also:
“Save us, O God of our salvation,
and gather and deliver us from among the nations,
that we may give thanks to your holy name
and glory in your praise.
36 Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel,
from everlasting to everlasting!”**
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (1 Ch 16:31–36). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.
We have strayed from what the Word tells us!!!
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