News & Current Events
pamela_dalan — 2017-04-29T00:33:15-04:00 — #1
The ACA was a very complicated program that had many requirements. The most helpful to poor and sick people were the chance to get health care because of no exclusions for pre existing conditions, a chance to get health care for free if you to poor or sick to pay really brought a lot of marginalized people in. The third thing may have been the requirement that mental illnesses also had to be treated. Trump has stated in campaign that allowing health insurance companies to work across state lines would created more competition. Unfortunately, the plans were still expensive, copper plans were more like catastrophic plans, and insurance companies, initially supporting the extra flow of government to their products, began to feel as if they could not manage to cover all those sick people.
Jesus was very corrective of the rich either not caring about the poor or those that were willing to take advantage of the poor. He did not prescribe to political campaigning for himself, and he was willing to heal literally anyone that asked,, religious or not. What do you think might work for our country?
alex_vaughn — 2017-04-29T01:04:32-04:00 — #2
It is true that Jesus raised a daughter of a synagogue leader, healed a Centurion's servant, and the daughter of a Canaanite woman. However, Jesus was political. What some might take as the mission of his ministry on Earth is in part political.
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” (Luke 4:18-19)
This prophecy from Isaiah is prophesying a Jubilee year. (Is. 61) Also, the title Messiah has political overtones. Furthermore, the term Gospel, and the title Christ have Roman imperialistic implications. Finally, the cross was used by the Romans to humiliate and impress upon the public what happens to people that go against Rome. Worshipping anyone that was crucified was thus a political act against Rome.
Along the healthcare part, early Christians invented the idea of hospitals. Before that time doctors came and treated those that could afford to pay them for house visits.
pamela_dalan — 2017-04-29T10:15:38-04:00 — #3
What a beautiful passage! Jesus was not concerned though with the political structures of our world. He healed Romans, and he had no part in leading an earthly rebellion.The early church hospitals you mention remind me of Mother Theresa and her work among the dying. She offered kindness, a mat, water, and food but of course most importantly love from God? Prayers for the dying eased their spiritual pain and introduced them to the knowledge that there is much more beyond the grave than reincarnation. What has he asked us to do personally? Of course, we should be salt and light as He is.. We should be a good neighbor and to reach out with His love and caring.
We are at a crossroads in our country. For a few years since 2010, the poorest of the poor have had access to health care. That comes at a cost to people above twice the poverty line. As a Christian people who want to bring the knowledge of Jesus care and sacrifice, the reality of God's love, which one of the world's health care systems should we support with our elected leaders?
I see no indication that Jesus approved of gathering our own fabulous resources instead of meeting our obligations to our neighbors. Health Savings Accounts grow tax free for families that have basic coverage so that there are some resources to pay for medical care not covered. Insurance coverage provided by employers and by the ACA cannot be sustained if the least healthy have insurance but the healthy people with means do not participate. As Christians, we are not told to only take care of ourselves and let God do the work of caring for others.
James 2:16 If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,"
but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?
Our form of government allows us to be active in the process of choosing how we care for our world with our collective taxes. As Christians, please let us not be silent or worse silent and self serving or loud and self serving either. Please join me with your good ideas in your caring this week to winnow down what should be done. Writing to our Congress People and calling Committee members that are shaping the new health care ideas is a privilege and also a duty for us.
This is a great forum so that we can engage together in faith and then bring the best of these ideas forward. But time is short. Thank you!
gao_lu — 2017-04-29T18:58:27-04:00 — #4
Something effective that is being done already:
There are many excellent Christian healthcare programs for meeting needs very much like you describe. These programs are non-profit, far less expensive and very effective, bypassing politics, graft, greed and moral dilemmas.
Examples would be:
As well as a plethora of the world's top specialists (I recently interacted with a top pediatric cardio surgeon and pedi-cardio surgery anesthesiologist--Christians providing care free for special needs) and healthcare professionals working around the world. This is in place, readily available and functioning well.
gao_lu — 2017-04-29T19:00:09-04:00 — #5
By the way, welcome to the forums, Pamela.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-05-09T15:44:27-04:00 — #6
Many reasons for the high cost of insurance and healthcare in general is because of all the litigation in this litigation happy society that causes insurance to go up for the healthcare providers.
That being said, health insurance is insurance. It was never meant for every day health expenses. And certainly insurance is not a right, as some would like to argue.
Concierge Medicine is a great alternative. Basically you pay a low monthly or annual retainer, like you technically do with insurance, but you pay the doctor directly and have access virtually 24/7. These doctors also work with pharmaceutical companies to lower prescription drug costs. This, combined with catastrophic insurance, could be a great alternative and a much more affordable solution. Unfortunately, it is not available everywhere.
alex_vaughn — 2017-05-09T23:11:16-04:00 — #7
I disagree healthcare is a right. It is a sinful to allow those with pre-existing conditions or are otherwise too poor to afford medical care to either live in pain or die of easily treatable diseases. Christians founded some of the first public hospitals, and we should also be at the forefront advocating for those who cannot afford quality medical treatment. http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1404975.files/Final%20Exam%20Readings/Horden-Earliest%20Hospitals-2005.pdf
P.S. Consider also Jesus's mission in Luke 4:18, as Christ's body is that not the Church's mission as well?
david_taylor_jr — 2017-05-10T10:58:22-04:00 — #8
How do you defend this?
We disagree. However, I do think that the church should help, NOT the government.
What do you think that verse is talking about? Spiritual bondage.
alex_vaughn — 2017-05-10T13:14:26-04:00 — #9
It appears we have a fundamental disagreement of worldviews.
To understand this verse you must understand first, the prophecy in Isaiah and the concept of pax Romana. Pax Romana stands completely against the way of peace for Christians.In response to your question, I'll quote from
It may well be that “the acceptable year of the Lord” in the book of the prophet referred to some particular event either at the end of the age or in the immediate future of the Babylonian captives (or both); but for rabbinic Judaism and thus for the listeners of Jesus it most likely meant neither of these but rather the jubilee year, the time when the inequities accumulated through the years are to be crossed off and all God’s people will begin again at the same point. The expectation is thus not that Jesus is going to take Palestine off the end of the scale of temporal sequence but rather that there is to come into Palestine the equalizing impact of the sabbath year. [interveneing paragraphs]...
The second theme of the encounter in the synagogue provides Jesus’ first direct offense to his hearers; appealing to prophetic precedent, he proclaims the opening of the New Age to Gentiles. This second thrust does not seem to be derived from the jubilee proclamation; it grows rather out of Jesus’ response to the disbelief bred in his hearers by their familiarity with his family. There is rather a negative correlation between the two themes; the undercutting of racial egoism by the second thrust prevented the former from being taken in a nationalistic sense. The prophet’s reference to the captive and oppressed can thus not refer to Israel or Judaism at large as collectively oppressed; the liberation is too wide for that. The New Age is for all, and the hesitance of the Nazarenes to believe will only hasten its wider proclamation.
In my opinion, if the US is going to be a "Christian country", then the nation must ensure that the hungry are fed, the homeless are housed, and the sick are provided healthcare.
gao_lu — 2017-06-23T22:49:09-04:00 — #10
Do you think America was is or ever will be a "Christian Nation?"
America is a nation built largely on Christian principles and upon the ideals of Christians and is a land of relative freedom for many Christians. In that sense we could call it a Christian nation, and in that sense, the many Christians there desire to keep Christian values common in the nation for a few hundred years. Yet I do not think the government could be called a Christian government, nor are all or most of the people biblical Christians (more than nominal Christians).
The church does not expect the nation's government to reflect or displace the church in fulfilling to ensure that the hungry are fed, the homeless are housed, and the sick are provided healthcare. Yet those same Christians hope and press for the nation in which they live to perform those things as far as possible.