will_scholten — 2017-11-11T16:12:16-05:00 — #1
Ever wonder, why this is in Hebrews?
I can understand it being in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, because we are told we are in the "New Covenant" now!
To me, this has to be talking about a future event, right!!
This is to big, to cram in one post, so I will put some in now, to get it started!
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
When is this going to happen?
**8“The days are coming, declares the Lord,**
Make what, and who with?
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
Do we still remain unfaithful to YHWH'S Covenant?
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
**Now it is with Israel alone, isn't it, do you think the two became one now?
Please notice what is in there mind and heart, if the law was before us and is going to be after us, do you think it is for us today?**
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Do we live in a time, where everyone knows who YHWH is?
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
Is this present or past tense?
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.” n
The New International Version. (2011). (Heb 8:7–12). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
Let's tie Galatians 4 with this part!
Hagar and Sarah
How does it say, the first one was born?
**21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh,
But the second one was born through the divine promise Sarah could not have got pregnant on her own!!
but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.**
Do you see the difference between the two covenants??
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
The first one is from the present city of Jerusalem, the second from the Jerusalem from above!! Right!!
The New International Version. (2011). (Ga 4:21–26). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
We are still living on the "present earth" aren't we, still under the old covenant with sin!!!
gao_lu — 2017-11-11T18:52:16-05:00 — #2
Good post, Will. I like Hebrews. Therein is a good balance of absolute assurance and a stern warning for the believer whose pilgrimage continues in this life. This tension is like two rails on a track--assurance and warning. If we are firmly planted on both rails we will do well. If we find we are connected to only one rail, we will have a bumpy ride and may find ourselves tumbling like tumble weeds out over the south 40. Hebrews has the perfect answer for that.
The old covenant was wonderful, but not perfect. Now that Messiah has come, we have an opportunity for a New Covenant that supersedes the Old. The New Covenant provides us, today(Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25; 2 Cor. 3:6), with these...
- Law in our hearts and minds - we are inclined to obey them--we have a new nature as Dave often says so well.
- A close, living relationship with God--so close we hear His voice if we listen, we can know His very heartbeat, as the Disciple whom Jesus loved knew when he leaned on Jesus' breast in that upper room. "I will be their God, they shall be my people"
- We can actually KNOW God, and I reiterate, His Sheep hear His voice--something the people of God never had--with all their Scriptures--in ages before. "They will all know me"
- No more guilt--knowledge that our sins are completely forgiven forever. "I will forgive...remember...no more"
This covenant and these promises were to Israel, yet as gentiles grafted into the Olive tree, we too enjoy these blessings.
will_scholten — 2017-11-11T20:12:16-05:00 — #3
Thanks for responding Gao Lu!!
The covenant we live in is not perfect, either! Is it!
The New Covenant will be perfect!
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The New International Version. (2011). (Mt 5:17–20). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
We are still in the old covenant, until this earth passes away, the new covenant will come with the New Jerusalem.
Yes, we are given a glimpse of what is to come, Yahusha's blood has the power that the animal sacrifices didn't have , and Yahusha is a high priest with better promises ( from the heavenly sanctuary, but contrary to what we are taught, our sins are not forgiven yet, see Zech. 3 still to happen!!
Also: 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. (This will be our new covenant)!!
The New International Version. (2011). (Heb 8:4–5). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
But Dave says the 10 commandments and Torah are done away with, so if John tells us sin is the breaking of Torah, how do you know what YHWH calls sin, if the Torah is no longer?
This is future tense, right!!
8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
The New International Version. (2011). (Heb 8:8). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
No past tense here!!
We have to know those living as the gentiles are the scattered!! What does the prophets tell us happens to the nations where Israel is scattered?
11 I am with you and will save you,’
declares the LORD.
‘Though I completely destroy all the nations
among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only in due measure;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished.’
The New International Version. (2011). (Je 30:11). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
28 Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant,
for I am with you,” declares the LORD.
“Though I completely destroy all the nations
among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only in due measure;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished.
The New International Version. (2011). (Je 46:28). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
Israel's scattered ones get re-grafted, not the nations where they were sent, the nations have there own gods!!
Israel is YHWH's inheritance, according to the scriptures, right!!
Just trying to go by what the scriptures tell us!!!
It is our decision if we want to live as Israel and become Israel like Rahab did, or not!
gao_lu — 2017-11-12T03:49:28-05:00 — #4
Lots of good stuff there Will, but I am awfully concerned that you missed the New Covenent. It is indeed in effect. Jesus said so.
will_scholten — 2017-11-12T09:08:37-05:00 — #5
Yes, I think we jumped the gun,and once again I am going against the main stream.
Here is a question, for all those who say they are already in the NC.
What about all the people who lived BC, are they excluded from the NC?
This is not where I was going, but we like Hebrews, let's keep reading, I like Hebrews also.
Where is the first covenant set up at? Earthly!
Worship in the Earthly Tabernacle
9 Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
Where is the perfect covenant set up at? verse 11, "not part of this creation"
The Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, v he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, h so that we may serve the living God!
Verse 15 has lost of clues for us;1) when; the promised eternal inheritance, 2) what; " sets us free from the sins committed under the first covenant" nothing said about the second covenant, so that must mean, either we no longer sin, or we must be under the first covenant!! right?
How about verse 22, isn't everything still covered by blood???
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 When Moses had proclaimed every command of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.” t 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Once again, when does this happen? See verses 27-28!!
23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
The New International Version. (2011). (Heb 9). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
I was going to add chapters 10 and 11, but is getting to long, I will add later!!
dave_l — 2017-11-12T09:26:32-05:00 — #6
Will, you are confusing the New Covenant with the New Heavens and Earth. Jesus abolished the Old Covenant on the cross shedding his "blood of the New Covenant". The New Covenant along with Jesus reigning forever on David's Throne in Heaven is a present reality. It continues after the destruction of the physical universe and the creation of the new.
will_scholten — 2017-11-12T12:08:15-05:00 — #7
Yes Dave, that is what I thought at first to.
But what I a m finding is the first covenant is for those on earth where we need blood to cover our sins, the new covenant is after judgement,, there is no sin in the new covenant because it is perfect because we will be dwelling
in the New Jerusalem
We have a taste of what is coming , see verse 28-29, again read Zech. 3 has not happened yet!!
Institution of the Lord’s Supper
26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Mt 26:26–29). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.
dave_l — 2017-11-12T13:53:01-05:00 — #8
"Removing our sins in one day" happened on the cross.
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28)
““Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” (1 Corinthians 15:24–26)
“And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.” (Revelation 19:8–9)
will_scholten — 2017-11-12T15:42:19-05:00 — #9
You will see, that is not the case, when we read farther, but for now, did you read Zech. 3?
3 Now Joshua was standing before the angel, clothed with filthy garments. 4 And the angel said to those who were standing before him, “Remove the filthy garments from him.” And to him he said, “Behold, I have taken your iniquity away from you, and I will clothe you with pure vestments.” 5 And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.” So they put a clean turban on his head and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD was standing by.
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Zec 3:3–5). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.
Know read Lev. 16
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place and the tent of meeting and the altar, he shall present the live goat. 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins. And he shall put them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who is in readiness. 22 The goat shall bear all their iniquities on itself to a remote area, and he shall let the goat go free in the wilderness.
23 “Then Aaron shall come into the tent of meeting and shall take off the linen garments that he put on when he went into the Holy Place and shall leave them there. 24 And he shall bathe his body in water in a holy place and put on his garments and come out and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people and make atonement for himself and for the people. 25 And the fat of the sin offering he shall burn on the altar. 26 And he who lets the goat go to Azazel shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp. 27 And the bull for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the Holy Place, shall be carried outside the camp. Their skin and their flesh and their dung shall be burned up with fire. 28 And he who burns them shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Le 16:20–28). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.
This is where the sins are removed in a single day!! not on the cross!!
When the high priest handles the sin and puts it on the goat for Azazel ( the devil), he becomes unclean , just like the fit man that lead it away, they both have to wash with water and put on clean clothes!!
Consider Re. 20; (this is the goat for Azazel!!!
The Thousand Years
20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Re 20:1–3). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.
Dave, I love the 3 verses, you posted here, they all pertain to something happening in a future event/ appointed time!!
will_scholten — 2017-11-12T16:57:55-05:00 — #10
**These are some hard verses for me here!!
After reading from Josephus account of the Temple getting destroyed, I am confident all the scripture was written before 70 AD, because no one describes what happened then.
Did the apostles try to bring sacrifices to an end? I don't know!!
Verse 2 is hard for me, 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered,
but 2b is also confusing;" since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?" Isn't this what the church that teaches "grace alone is teaching?**
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’ ”
8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
17 then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
What is the "Day" talked about in verse 25? Sabbath or Judgement
The Full Assurance of Faith
19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
What ever the above verses mean, has to tie in with the following verses, right!!
YHWH does not put up with deliberate sin, John tell us breaking Torah is sin!!!!
26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The following verses is talking about us to, right?
32 But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, 33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. 34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. 37 For,
“Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38 but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Heb 10:1–39). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.
dave_l — 2017-11-12T18:29:22-05:00 — #11
The sacrifices could not remove sin. They only symbolised the substitutionary atonement Christ would make on the cross. “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.” (Hebrews 10:4)
The reason you think they are future is because you expect God to fulfill the symbols with the symbols. But if you look for what the symbols represent, it is all around you as a present reality. But as Jesus said, unless a person is born again, they cannot see the Kingdom.
will_scholten — 2017-11-12T19:41:31-05:00 — #12
Maybe this will help shed more light on what is going on!
8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries.
The New International Version. (2011). (Je 3:8). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
The marriage covenant was broken there, right!!
Where there is a marriage, there is a covenant made, right!!!
Torah says, the only way one can marry after a divorce, without committing adultery, is for there to be a death. Yahusha died, then was raised!!
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” m for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ u or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits thick. 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
The New International Version. (2011). (Re 21:1–22:1). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
dave_l — 2017-11-12T19:46:55-05:00 — #13
Revelation is symbolic of the entire New Covenant era leading up to the creation of the New Heavens and Earth. The Old Covenant could not save anyone. It only held sin in check. There would not be a book of Revelation if the New Covenant is still future.
will_scholten — 2017-11-12T19:53:32-05:00 — #14
7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”
The New International Version. (2011). (Re 22:7). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
Has Yahusha returned yet???
dave_l — 2017-11-13T05:09:09-05:00 — #15
The Kingdom is now present if you can discern it. And at the resurrection on the last day, he will usher in the New Heavens and Earth. One way to tell if a person is born again is whether or not they can see the kingdom. But I believe many who are born again are being mislead by popular endtime physical kingdom views, essentially Pharisaic in nature. But in hearing the truth and knowing what to look for, they can see the Kingdom now covering the earth. I began my journey as a Dispensationalist having been taught that position for years. But now I am a "modified Amillennialist".
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-13T14:59:13-05:00 — #16
Couple of questions:
If The New covenant has not come yet How can we, now, or do we receive remission for sins?
I have some mroe but lets statr with this one.
will_scholten — 2017-11-13T19:22:53-05:00 — #17
I would say we are just like the people before Yahusha, the blood form animals, had no power.to cover sin.
He will remove our sin in a single day; appointed times are rehearsals, this is Zech. 3.
Rev. talks about a marriage feast, isn't that where covenants are made,
Hebrew weddings, the Father and son go to the Feather's house to make a room for his bride, that is what this is talking about!!
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
The New International Version. (2011). (Jn 14:1–4). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
This is a Jewish idiom; only the grooms father know the day and the our they will lead a procession to get the bride!!
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
The New International Version. (2011). (Mt 24:36). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
Is this found in scripture?
dave_l — 2017-11-14T04:45:46-05:00 — #18
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3)
will_scholten — 2017-11-14T06:19:32-05:00 — #19
Once again Dave, read more!
Isn't this telling us we need to be born again to receive eternal life,
Have you seen your eternal reward already?
dave_l — 2017-11-14T06:26:25-05:00 — #20
No. It is telling us that unless a person is born-again, they cannot see the kingdom of God.
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:20–21)
The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are the same thing.
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