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wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T01:45:05-05:00 — #1
Once again we can see the typical one-sided and double morals which are propagated by the mainstream fake-news media and their many followers influenced by the leftist fascists propaganda against Trump's recent immigration ruling to not permit entry to the USA for citizens from a few specific other countries.
Anyone remember that Obama did the very same thing in 2011 when he issued an order to not allow any refugees from Iraq to enter the USA for a period of six months ? there were possibilities of terrorists entering the USA disguised as refugees then ... just as is the case now, only it involves a few more countries by now which have been destabilized by Western military interventions in the meantime ... That step was taken by Obama to protect the USA from possible terrorists entering the country, because 2 such Al-Quaida fellows had come into the country as "refugees" and were only later caught by the FBI and then revealed that they had been terrorists in Iraq and had been fighting against US soldiers trying to kill them.
Where were all these critics of the president at the time in 2011 when Obama issued such a terrible presidential order to just not let citizens from another country enter the USA ?? Not a "peep" was heard then while now those folks are screaming their heads off ?? Hypocrites ... or just really badly deceived and not knowing what they are actually doing??
By the way, folks .... even I as a German citizen from Germany (no connection to any of those countries to which the recent ruling applies) with a visitor's visa arriving at a US airport can be denied entry to the USA at any time for whatever reason ... I do NOT have a right to be admitted (and neither does anyone else have such right) !! The immigration officer could at his/her judgment decide that I have "evil motives" and have me detained and put back on the next plane to Germany. Such was the case 40 years ago, such has been the case ever since and has nothing whatever to do with any special presidential orders, it is the normal policy.
bill_coley — 2017-01-30T02:34:21-05:00 — #2
The two arrests to which you refer - in May 2011 of two Iraqi nationals residing in Kentucky, one of whom was alleged, and later proven, to have created roadside bombs in Iraq - preceded the Obama administration's action. That is, Obama acted NOT because of "possibilities of terrorists entering the USA," but rather in response to a specific event, threat, and arrest of people suspected of terrorist activity against American service members. To my knowledge, the Trump executive order was not drafted in response to a specific incident or threat.
You reference the seven nations specified in Trump's order. It's important to note that since 9/11, no one has been killed in a terrorist act committed on U.S. soil by a person from one of those nations. People from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan HAVE killed thousands of Americans since the start of this century, but, interestingly, President Trump chose not to include any of those nations in his order. Conspiracy theory, anyone?
Obama's executive order specified only one nation. Trump halted the refugee program globally, and specified seven nations for additional restrictions.
Finally, Trump's action affected green card holders, while Obama's action did not, and Trump halted the process of application for admission to the country, but Obama did not.
As the Washington Post concludes, the suggestion that Trump's action is substantively the same as was Obama's deserves two Pinocchios.
When you read the Washington Post fact check article, you will see that members of Congress raised their voices loudly when they heard of the alleged-later-proven activity of the two Iraqis arrested in Kentucky. Congress protested, however, not because Obama was curtailing entry into the country, but because the specific actions taken by those arrested raised concerns that sufficient protective actions be taken by the administration. Again, it was a specific threat which emanated from a specific arrest of specific individuals accused of a specific terrorist act that led to those raised voices. Trump's order had NO such predicate.
If the fact that you could be excluded from the U.S. is "the normal policy" functionally equivalent to the Trump executive order, then why did Trump issue the order? He could have saved himself a lot of grief by just ordering all customs agents to re-read the "normal policy" manual. If what he ordered restates existing "normal policy," why did he issue the order?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T03:23:04-05:00 — #3
By the way, the list of countries in the executive order for a 90 day period follows the list Obama used before when curtailing a list of applicable countries for the visa waiver program
President Trump is carrying out an executive action in support of the US Customs and Border Protection Act of 2015, which relates to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. President Trump did not select seven countries – the US Congress and Obama’s Department of Homeland Security had singled out these countries.
Also, nowhere in President Trump’s executive order does he single out any country for VISA suspension. Instead what his XO does is say he’s suspending visa approvals from countries already outlined by the Obama administration as representing a specific threat such that they were categorized for extreme visa vetting by: 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12)
It is becoming more and more obvious that the deep state empire who has been controlling the USA for decades now via the Clinton, Bush, Obama puppet occupants in the White House is VERY angry at those American people who have -- with the election of Trump -- caused a possible turn or even ruin of their empire. Thus, the empire is mobilizing their propaganda fake-news mainstream media and railing up those American citizens who wanted to continue being globalist empire slaves to now want to go back to "the flesh pots of Egypt" in order to remain their grip on global power (which they basically still hold over other countries, except of course Russia, China, Iran who are demonized by those devils because they do not want to voluntarily submit to the empire.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T03:26:56-05:00 — #4
I rather not comment on this ...
bill_coley — 2017-01-30T03:39:41-05:00 — #5
Check me out on this, Wolfgang:
The link you provided reports that the bill Obama signed refused access to the visa waver program to people of those (eventually) seven nations, which meant if they wanted to enter the U.S. they needed a visa. That is, citizens of those nations could still get in the country, but to do so they needed a visa - the visa requirement for them would not be waived.
The same article reports that Trump's order goes further than the bill Obama signed. The article says Trump prohibits citizens from those nations "from entering the U.S. on any visa category."
That is, Trump says they can't get in under any circumstances (though I think the order has a couple of caveats) while Obama said they could get in, but only with a visa because their countries were removed from the visa waiver program.
Aren't those two outcomes - Trump's and Obama's - substantively different?
Not the kind of response I was hoping for, but so be it.
Any response to the other parts of my last reply, the links to the fact checker, et al?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T03:42:41-05:00 — #6
Please, re-read the sentence I wrote which you quoted and to which you answered with the above ...
bill_coley — 2017-01-30T05:00:09-05:00 — #7
Point taken, but I have to point out that the one who identifies a neighbor's house as a candidate for spray-painted graffiti but doesn't do it would surely be treated differently by law enforcement than would the one who took down the house's address, bought the paint, and then did the job. Obama created the list, but did not ban people from those nations; Trump did.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T05:48:56-05:00 — #8
A side note .... some international media report some numbers of who is affected by the recent executive order: Total number of people entering the USA 293 000, from among them 109 persons rejected due to the executive order
WOW .... keep yelling and screaming, folks! In the meantime, it also was reported that the USA has actually granted entry to the vast majority of those stranded at first at the airports ?
As I mentioned before, it becomes more and more obvious and evident, that all the hot air propaganda talk (including foreign government statements, such as by our "chancelorette" Merkel) are hype orchestrated by the deep state globalist empure .... Hopefully, at some time not too late, at least some will wake up to realize that the fight is between an American who apparently is set to liberate the USA from those evil powers and not between that president and a large number of the American people who -- for the most part ignoarantly and deceived by the empire -- are only used as fools by the empire to retain their grip on the USA as a whole and many parts of the world
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T06:48:04-05:00 — #9
A little more on some more issues .... .from http://thesaker.is/president-trump-legislative-briefing-for-january-2017-by-scott-humor/
On Sunday afternoon it became clear that the liberals won’t let America rest. The UK tabloid The Independent announced that the Democratic states Attorneys General from 16 US states have condemned Donald Trump’s travel ban and were going to challenge the presidential order in court. Their joined statement calls the executive order, “unconstitutional, un-American and unlawful.”
Needless to say, that one doesn’t need to pass the American Bar Association exams to know that this statement is not true. However, in the US the law has been suspended by the previous democratic
administration, so it’s perfectly fine for the state’s Attorney generals to be ignorant in all things legal.
Let’s as an example, take a look at the new attorney general of Pennsylvania:
The Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General issued an official statement as following:
(Source: Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General ) 1/29/2017 Attorney General Josh Shapiro led multi-state effort to oppose federal order.
HARRISBURG – Seventeen Attorneys General issued a joint statement today that ‘condemns’ as ‘un-American’ the executive order signed by President Trump. The rapid-response, multi-state effort was lead in part by Pennsylvania Attorney General..
More about Josh Shapiro crusade against federal government read the article by Michael Tanenbaum, Pennsylvania AG Shapiro joins state prosecutors in condemning Trump’s travel bans
The following is in their statement:
“As the chief legal officers for over 130 million Americans and foreign residents of our states, we condemn President Trump’s unconstitutional, un-American and unlawful Executive Order and will work together to ensure the federal government obeys the Constitution, respects our history as a nation of immigrants, and does not unlawfully target anyone because of their national origin or faith.”
As we all know, Pennsylvania, a historically democratic state, voted for Trump, because it suddenly remembered that in 1776 Pennsylvania enacted its first state constitution in direct response to the Declaration of Independence and the instructions of the Second Continental Congress to the colonies to reject British rule. Once again, the people of Pennsylvania voted against Hillary Clinton and the globalists rule that she embodied.
The Pennsylvania new attorney general, who took his office in January 2017, doesn’t have a mandate for his crusade against Donald Trump as a president of the US. During the presidential elections his office was involved in some dubious practices of inciting a riot and hiring people to pose as anti- Trump “protestors” for a pay.
Similar practices are described here: Leftist Paid Protesters Behind Anti-Trump Violence
Let’s take a look at some Josh Shapiro activities around election time.
In 2016 his political campaign office was located here:
Look at the top listing titled “Don’t wait, Defeat Trump…” it was posted on Nov. 5th, 2016, the election took place on Nov. 8th. The Craigslist protesters for hire wanted note was still up after the
Shapiro’s political campaign office number is the phone number on the wanted anti-Trump protesters classified listings.
Would be interested to hear a legal opinion on the practices about the protesters for hire.
Getting paid to protest Trump is not a democracy, it’s a job. Do those protesters pay taxes?
A lot more to be read in that article ....
bill_coley — 2017-01-30T09:26:29-05:00 — #10
How might I or any other opponent of the president's actions determine whether our opposition is grounded in the ignorance and deception to which you point, Wolfgang? Frankly, I don't view myself as either ignorant or deceived, so your guidance will be most useful.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T09:32:45-05:00 — #11
By the same principles and steps that make possible for an unbeliever to see what is going on and become a believer ... sufficient evidence is available to be seen all around ... and I would think that the mental abilities to evaluate are also at hand.
It's sort of like what is necessary to realize that one might be in a type of cult and then taking the necessary steps to clear up the matter and determine what is going on ... and then find the strength to overcome one's own pride to change one's look on things position.
bill_coley — 2017-01-30T10:57:31-05:00 — #12
Thanks for the help, but I still don't view myself as ignorant or deceived.
Perhaps you have adjectives which in your view describe those who lump people indiscriminately into overly-broad and ill-defined categories?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-30T11:36:41-05:00 — #13
When I was in such a situation many years ago -- in a religious, not a political context -- I would have described myself as having fallen into those 2 categories of "ignorant" as well as "deceived (partly "self-deceived") until I "woke up" to realize it .
PS: I suppose I could add a few adjectives from hindsight and looking back: I would describe myself as having been stupid, credulous, gullible, good-natured, foolish,irrational ... rather than vigilant, careful, thoughtful, rational, logical ...
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-31T03:49:54-05:00 — #14
The German mainstream fake-news media are very proud to propagate Merkel's, our "chancelorette's", propaganda talk and how firm and steadfast she was in accusing Trump of being anti-Muslim and that "it was not right, to generally suspect all citizens of a country to be terrorists and a danger" ...
After I shook my head at the utter stupidity of our "chancelorette" and the evil of the mainstream feake-news media in propagating such stupidity for the sole purpose of programming (also called brainwashing) of millions of deceived Germans, I went to bed .... not without locking the entrance door to my house as I have done for many years and as I was taught by my parents 60 years ago.
You know, folks, I did that because I am suspecting my neighbors, the people in our village, and definitely the public in general of being robbers and terrorists ....
Actually, I was closing and locking my door not because of suspecting the general public or the people in the village or my neighbors of being robbers or terrorists or because they are of a certain religious conviction ... but because I love my wife and myself, who are in the house, and because I deem locking the door to be a first measure of protection. Why are you locking your doors at night?
I suppose, what I learned from my parents and what I did (and have done since childhood) is very wrong ???
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-02-02T04:16:45-05:00 — #15
All the protests about the president's executive order concerning protecting US from possible terrorist attacks appear quite clearly to be orchestrated efforts to overthrow the US president. The order is declared to be an "anti-muslim" order ... when in reality ( fact ! ) the word "muslim" is not even used in the document, or is it? The few (7) countries in the list for special considerations in the re-evaluation process of immigration procedures are countries already put together in this list by the previous administration and president Obama (Dec 2015 in a law).
Also, crowds of people are now protesting against an order that affects a very few people (between 100-200, in comparison to 200 000 total entering the USA) encountering more inconveniences when trying to get a visa or at airports when entering the USA with a visa. Where were those crowds to protest when Obama order bombing raids on those same countries causing the deaths of a far larger number of civilians in those countries ?????? Why did they not protest then ??? Were they all stupid then or are they stupid now ??? What is worse .... ordering killing thousands of civilians with bombs or ordering a 90 day re-evaluation period of immigration procedures??
gao_lu — 2017-02-02T04:22:29-05:00 — #16
Wolfgang, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Alongside I might offer this consideration: as the old regime passes away, inevitably some dying embers will flare up here and there everytime a breeze blows. Be thankful for those periodic glowing reminders that all this shall pass away.
Care, but whatever happens, let's let the peace of God rule in our hearts.We know the last chapter, we know how the story ends.
bill_coley — 2017-02-02T11:49:58-05:00 — #17
I encourage you to examine the facts of the December 2015 law, Wolfgang. Said law had to do with the visa waiver program - that is, who could visit the U.S. without a visa. The law did NOT ban anyone from traveling to the U.S. not even people from the seven nations to which Trump's executive order applied.
Specifically, the law mandated that residents of nations who were covered by the visa waiver program had to get a visa if they had visited any of those nations after March 2011. They could still visit the U.S.! But they needed a visa, where prior to the Dec '15 law they did not.
The Dec '15 law applied only to nations that were part of the visa waiver program, and hence DID NOT BAN PEOPLE from those seven nations from traveling to the U.S. Trump's executive order does ban people from those seven nations.
Because it was only a revision to the visa waiver program, the Dec '15 law DID NOT BAN ANYONE from visiting the U.S. Trump's executive order does ban people from traveling here.
The Dec '15 law did not apply to "immigration procedures," but rather to visits to the U.S. by citizens of nations on the visa waiver program.
And the contention that in 2011 Obama did the same thing as Trump has done is not accurate, as reported HERE.