lu1 — 2016-07-28T20:22:32-04:00 — #1
gao_lu — 2016-07-28T22:49:56-04:00 — #2
dave_l — 2016-07-29T06:37:35-04:00 — #3
If you were called upon to lead the prayer for either party, what would it be? On a personal level, I always begin asking for forgiveness....and that God would grant repentance....
It sounded as though the prayers were an attempt to have God bless our sins, passed off as being virtues.
bill_coley — 2016-07-29T11:05:55-04:00 — #4
I assume you noticed the obvious editing someone did to make it look like people were clapping during the Democratic convention prayer? The edit is obvious in the last seconds of the video, as the camera shows a wide shot from the back of the room and everyone in the hall is still and seated as the allegedly raucous prayer ends. An amateurish edit, actually.
If you watched any of the Democratic convention, you know that no prayer took a form like the video purports to show. I encourage you to look for the closing prayer of the convention. You will see hands linked across the arena, in a remarkably full room even though the action finished many minutes earlier.
A far fairer comparison of the two conventions' prayers would be to compare the content of the prayers. You might recall the prayer I posted last week, from a pastor who prayed for God's help against the "enemy" Hillary Clinton.
gao_lu — 2016-07-29T19:59:50-04:00 — #5
Bill, maybe you can find a video of that? Showing how you think it was?
bill_coley — 2016-07-30T12:51:01-04:00 — #6
I was mistaken to suggest that there was not a significant and prolonged disruption of the Reverend Dr. Hale's Democratic convention prayer. I made my suggestion based on the video to which Lu offered a link (a video that has since been "removed by the user") and without consulting other videos of the prayer. Viewing other videos makes it clear that my assessment was wrong.
When I viewed her prayer in full, I noticed that when she prayed for outcomes common to the American experience (including, of course, Democrats) the crowd remained quiet and respectful, as we would expect during a public prayer. But when she introduced a politically partisan outcome into her prayer - the then-forthcoming nomination of Hillary Clinton - the crowd erupted in partisan responses - cheers, boos, and chants.
I am passionate about a clear and consistent separation of church and state. The GOP convention prayer whose content I posted last week violated that separation; so did Dr Hale's prayer. Both prayers improperly inserted politics into a community's cries to God, and hence earned the criticism they received.
Bottom line: I don't believe either of the two prayers reported in CD forums represented the conventions to which they were offered. Instead, I believe they showcased the problems inherent when church and state mix.
gao_lu — 2016-07-31T19:19:28-04:00 — #7
Believe what you will, they were the prayers offered at those conventions.
lu1 — 2016-07-31T21:07:49-04:00 — #8
Not sure why engaging in this conversation? I personally wouldn't concern myself with it to much. It is what it is, prayer and fasting. Prayer and fasting. Did I say prayer and fasting....
bill_coley — 2016-07-31T23:49:12-04:00 — #9
Perhaps because you initiated it via the thread's OP, Lu?