alex_vaughn — 2017-10-03T08:42:33-04:00 — #1
Exactly wrong: "Mike, when Christ comes back He's going to take vengeance on those who haven't obeyed the gospel, so don't you need to know what the gospel is and how to obey it?" --Muscle and a Shovel
It's not about vengeance! It's about inviting people into the party! Jesus has conquered death, and he has called us to join with him to remake the world. That is a beautiful and joyful thing to take part in!
dave_l — 2017-10-03T10:48:48-04:00 — #2
I believe it is better not to hear the gospel than to hear it and reject it. It is like Paul said, God gave the law to increase sin. That is, make it more obvious and therefore increase one's liability for punishment. But everyone apart from the Law or Gospel remain under wrath because nobody loves God and their enemies as they do their own selves.
But the good news is Jesus remained perfect in the place of those who belong to him and bore the penalty for their sins on the cross. God considers those of his body as though they are as perfect as he.
And on this basis God is creating the people who will populate the New Heavens and earth. And those throughout the world in the body of Christ are already beating their spears into pruning hooks and swords into plowshares. And learning war no more.
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-03T11:27:14-04:00 — #3
Another example of our preference, to have either/or but scripture apparently supports both;
Jude 22-24King James Version (KJV)
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,