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wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-06T17:48:51-04:00 — #1
will_scholten — 2017-10-07T19:29:49-04:00 — #2
We'll have to see what happens, I guess!
Why the lone shooter who kills himself would have video cams in the hall, sounds strange to me, because he would have been planning suicide anyway.
It would make more sense if something else was going on in the room to me.
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-07T23:51:57-04:00 — #3
Illegal arms deal gone bad. FBI involved. ISIS kills Padlock who facilitates transaction. FBI frames him as lone shooter when ISIS seizes the opportunity to conduct a mass shooting on Vegas because dead men tell no tales..
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-08T08:20:37-04:00 — #4
Some points to consider when trying to figure out what actually may have happened at a scene like the scene of the recent shooting in Las Vegas ... and how "fake-news" could be detected (no matter who is propagating them)
Las Vegas - a final comment by PC Roberts
dave_l — 2017-10-08T09:44:00-04:00 — #5
““Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread.” (Isaiah 8:12)
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-08T13:13:53-04:00 — #6
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-09T10:52:09-04:00 — #7
OH brother....You have a conspiracy theory for everything. Should I send you a tin foil hat for Christmas?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-09T11:53:15-04:00 — #8
No conspiracy theory needed ... the dubious explanations officially given of the scenario speak for themselves .... pray tell, why is all of a sudden just as the shooting begins the light turned on to light up the audience? and once the shooting stops and the helpers would need some light, it is turned off so they are back in the dark?
It seems that over the last few days too many amateur videos of people at the scene are making the rounds on youtube and other internet media ... and now even the police officially expresses that there was most likely more than just the one dead suspect involved in the shooting?
Has anyone seen any larger amounts of blood from the victims on those many videos and officially published clips? Soldiers tell me that a shooting like that will certainly leave large traces of blood from the wounds of that many people injured and killed ...
Soldiers also tell me that the sounds of the shooting heard in the videos available from the scene could not possibly be from just semi-automatic and even automatic magazine fed weapons ... those sound much different when fired and the bursts are quicker and much shorter; a soldier with experience of automatic weapons felt that at least some of the shooting noise seems to come from a belt fed automatic gun. Why do official reports in the main stream mass media not mention such discrepancy between "story given" and "documented sounds"?
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-09T12:00:45-04:00 — #9
That is EASILY explained. It is a CONCERT!!!! Bright lights come up to charge the crowd up, it had been happening all night as in most rock/country/hip hop/etc concerts in the United States. They killed the lights so the shooter could no longer see the crowd.
In the planning, not the actual event.
I"m not sure what point you are making here....
No soldier who knows automatic weapons would have said that.
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T08:23:34-04:00 — #10
Came across this story in CNN:
I dont remember the mention of a security guard being shot in mainstream media prior to now?
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-10T08:26:13-04:00 — #11
No that was mentioned early last week. I heard it on the radio.
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T08:27:56-04:00 — #12
Oh. My mistake. I had read it in some non mainstream media sources (I dont do much news radio) but I hadn't seen any articles written. Thanks for clarifying.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-10T08:30:19-04:00 — #13
No problem. By the way I read a bunch of the posts regarding Las Vegas from that guy PC Roberts that @Wolfgang_Schneider keeps linking to. That guy is a nutjob and clearly doesn't have a grasp of reality. He makes a ton of assumptions (not based on actual facts) and then goes off on things that clearly don't even make sense in a fantasy world. No sane person should give him any attention whatsoever.
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T08:37:45-04:00 — #14
I don't read conspiracy theorist. I dont want the influence. I ltry to look at the facts, and the lack of explanation fot somr facts and come up with a conclusion. Then search and see if anyone else came to the same. I focus on witness reports over media reports.
I will say this there are some things that havent made sense from the beginning.
I will say also some of the people Wolfgang post are nutjobs
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-10T09:35:09-04:00 — #15
Just curious, what are the things you think don't make sense? Other than the fact that nobody seems to know what this guy's motive was.....
bill_coley — 2017-10-10T09:41:36-04:00 — #16
Grudgingly, I tip my hat to you two for the helpful and respectful term you chose to describe PC Roberts, the opinion writer with whose views you strongly disagree. I scoured the inner reaches of my brain and I simply could not come up with a more nuanced turn of phrase than "nut job."
Wouldn't you think there would be a better one?! I sure did.
- "He makes assumptions and draws conclusions that I don't believe are supported by facts."
- "He expresses what I view to be an unreasonable distrust for traditional media sources."
- "His baseline worldview is so different from mine that there is little chance I will agree with the views he expresses in his columns."
You'd think at least ONE of those would come across as more descriptive and respectful than "nut job," but that's not the case. So, I tip my hat to you both.
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T10:00:28-04:00 — #17
Financial Red Flags: Retired, but gambled $1million dollars/year away.
Some of his Known Job History included IRS Auditor, Postal Worker, Aerospace contract work for companies that would form Lockheed Martin. After 1980's besides a few notes about Real Estate he doesn't seem to hold any major roles, except accountant. Real Estate can pay well.I don't see how he went from the jobs he held in the 19080's to having enough cash to afford real estate in california & Texas - to then retiring and being able to afford to gamble $1million/year away.Not saying it not possible, just doesn't add up.
Videos surfacing of 4th floor automatic shooting (4Videos): no acknowledging of these videos by much mainstream media and the continual forcing of down our throat of a story which they admit they don't have all the pieces too.
20+ Guns in the hotel Room, but instead of a standoff he kills himself. This doesn't make sense at all, I don't think I need to explain this
G**uard being shot 72 minutes prior to completion of shooting** on the Vegas strip yet no law enforcement gets to room
Cameras are everywhere. Vegas is a called, maybe jokingly by residents a police state, especially on the Vegas Strip. Especially in and out of Casinos. Everything is recorded. So How does one manage to carry all those weapons in with no suspicion?
He had the room, 2 days prior to shooting, Maids don't see anything suspicious.(maybe they weren't nosy, I've heard the contrary about maids)
Witnesses claim 10 foot walls preventing escape (now could be panic, instead of running to exit, they ran to a wall)
Then there is the life to motive thing - Simple life, good money, then in the past year 33 guns bought, mass shooting committed - zero warning signs. It just doesn't add up.
My opnion: Seems to be a fall guy to me. Maybe he got involved in some things over his head, auditing defense contracts for the US, offered a way to make some real money doing illegal things, got too involved, too close ended up being the fall guy for something that was an act of opportunity rather then planned, or something planned that he was setup to be the fall guy for. Either way, everything to me seems fall guy.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-10T10:11:32-04:00 — #18
That is the best, most roundabout way of calling someone a nutjob I have ever seen. Going to have to tip my hat right back to you LOL.
It's actually pretty simple if you invest it right and are debt free. Dave Ramsay talks about how to do that all the time.
Confirmed videos or "possible" videos? I've heard of 4th floor stuff but nothing to actually support those claims.
It does make sense. You may have 20 guns but one person with 20 guns still doesn't beat an entire SWAT team. He knew the game was over and didn't want to be taken by anyone other than himself.
He didn't carry them out in the open and it was not all at once. Remember he was there for several days.
Or maybe he just put up a do not disturb sign.
Careful Tyrone, you are getting close to also receiving a tin foil hat for Christmas
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T10:32:27-04:00 — #19
I appreciate your explanations. And The fact that there is maybe's and possibilities are what leaves spaces for people to ask questions. Which is all I'm doing. I don't know what confirms a video now a day but i think there's 4 of them now which have surfaced. I've seen 3, they raise suspicions.
My Next statement will sound bad: I myself don't care.
I care that people were shot and killed I don't care about the truth behind what happened or the conspiracy behind what may have or none of that. Truth is tragedy happens year around but rarely people bat an eye. They only care when its thrown in their face.
210 People killed or inJured in first 24 hours of 2017
Portugal fire Kills 62 June 2017
74 Fatally killed/ 410 shot in Chicago July 2017
there have been 270 Mass shootings in the US this year (defined by FBI 4+ more deaths same place, same time)
And I could keep going with these stories, but my point is, no point getting caught up in conspiracy theories and finding the truth, because by the time you conclude either something else will happen. Stay grounded in Christ, that he hasn't taken his eye of the condition of the world and none of this surprises him, and in him do I trust, because only in him is there 100% truth.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-10T12:18:36-04:00 — #20
Point here is that the security guard was shot through the door ... it's unclear who actually fire the shots through the door. A few other things originally mentioned by FBI officials after taking over the investigation become more dubious as more infos come to light.
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