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wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-10T12:23:16-04:00 — #21
what you mention there is quite in harmony with what others have mentioned and wondered about as well ... and are called "nutjobs" in this forum for doing so ....
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T12:26:45-04:00 — #22
This is true @Wolfgang_Schneider
& Yeah. I've been called worse myself.
Nevertheless, I don't think anythings wrong with curiosity, I just wont devote as much time into developing and trying to prove a conspiracy. Maybe that's the nutty part.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-10T12:36:01-04:00 — #23
Actually, I would highly recommend to be curious, and especially so when it comes to the mass main stream media propaganda and official government "stories" and "explanations".
There have been pictures from the room of the alleged shooter released officially, which show only a very limited amount of ammunition shells, etc .... and in rather strange locations surrounding the area of where the dead body was supposedly located .... and all that with approx 3000 rounds/shells fired ?
I also find it rather interesting is that here some are very quick in labeling someone "a nutjob" ... when it appears that perhaps they just have no explanations to the points raised and the contradictory points in the official stories being pointed out ...
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-10T12:50:41-04:00 — #24
Coming from the guy who still thinks 9/11 wasn't an act of terrorism, but rather, a conspiracy by the government...
What point raised has not had an explanation? Good grief, you just WANT there to be a conspiracy.
These conspiracies are easily, I repeat, easily debunked:
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T16:13:40-04:00 — #25
Maybe it all Never happened - Like Sandy Hook?
ducks under table
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-10T17:18:02-04:00 — #26
Huh? Is that really a theory?
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T18:02:07-04:00 — #27
Lol yeah. Supposedly, and possibly, maybe I'm not from there, but it was staged, nobody died etc. Look it up tell me what you see
gao_lu — 2017-10-10T18:41:10-04:00 — #28
On a few recent hot summer evenings my wife and I would go out for a walk and we would both morph into nutjobs. We would make up long elaborate conspiracy theories about pretty much any mundane thing. Who knows, maybe we were right!
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-10T19:49:51-04:00 — #29
My father in law really does this also, I join him for fun. Sometimes we scare ourselves with the evidence we can find to support it.
will_scholten — 2017-10-10T22:05:57-04:00 — #30
Have you looked into it?
2 buildings get hit, fall down at free fall speeds in their own foot print, then building 7 never got it and also goes down at free fall speed, in its own foot print!!
How does the whole wing cut through I beams and concrete and the nose comes out the other side!Really), the trade centers were built to with stand multiple hits from jets ( the size they were when they were built.
And where were our fighter jets? Some where a long ways away, learning maneuvers of terrorist high jacking our airplanes.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-11T05:59:33-04:00 — #31
Hmn .... I say that it most certainly was an act of terrorism ...
The very strange thing about it is this: the government did everything in their power to prohibit a real investigation, influence the report compiled about it, did away with any evidence as quickly as possible, called anyone asking for a proper investigation and proper procedure steps to be followed in crimes such as this "conspiracy theorists", etc .....
Hmn ... watching this, I am not too convinced by what was presented ...
Here is a link to an article on the "nutjob's" website with testimony from other people raising a few concerns
This from UK Trauma surgeon
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-11T06:09:29-04:00 — #32
I am sure some here will easily explain all those things and "debunk" conspiracy theories concerning it ...
The rather simple truth of it is that It was an act of terrorism, and there was a conspiracy involved!!
The investigation into WHO was behind it was never conducted, but instead the US government and intelligence services were "super non-investigators" (perhaps "crystal ball"? or some other means of knowing ?) who knew exactly who was behind it all and who did it all ... =>> some dude in a hole in Afghanistan with the help of some other Arab dudes who flew airliners at high speeds into the towers and the pentagon in air maneuvers airline pilots deem extraordinarily difficult without having had any previous flight experience in such aircraft ...
Even more strange is the fact that these few amateur dudes could rather easily overcome the largest military and security powers and air force in the world at the time .... and those in command at various places on that day were later even promoted in rank, rather than immediately "debunked" with a dishonorable discharge for ncompetence ...
Oh, well .... it can all easily be "debunked" and "explained" .... just believe what the "higher powers" offer via the main stream media channels
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-11T07:54:32-04:00 — #33
Yes, I have looked into it and all of the conspiracies have been thouroughly debunked.
That simply isn't true Wolfgang.
You are going to have to find someone with some credibility Wolfgang, PC Roberts has no credibility.
There was ABUNDANT proof of this.
They didn't go up against the Air Force or the military. They went up against civilians in a much different security climate.
will_scholten — 2017-10-11T08:38:28-04:00 — #34
I am no expert on this!!
When I was a kid, we would take up to 1 cup of gas and dump it on a pile of leaves in the fall, then we would stand back and throw a match at it. There would be a boom and the gas would be gone but the leave would burn.
Where did all this extreme heat come from on 911, jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt that steel,.
Have you ever used a torch to cut steel before?
It takes a lot to get it hot enough to cut, especially the ones on the towers, that was thick stuff.
How long did they take before they started clean up? A couple weeks, right, and there was still hot molten steel down there. Where did all this heat come from to bring down 3 tall buildings (one of which was never hit)come from?
Why did they come straight down? Controlled demolition!!
Don't take my word for it, research it!!
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-11T09:29:24-04:00 — #35
Unsupported claim on your side.
It most certainly is true ...there has been sufficient evidence ... even to the point that to this day, no real investigation has taken place and evidence was compromised in great style.
Instead of "shooting the messenger", why don't you address the facts which those people quoted in the article have mentioned and laid out from their own experience?
There was NO proof of this at all. Actually, the FBI had Osama bin Laden on top spot of their "wanted" list ... but NOT for any involvement in the 09/11 event !! (only for being a suspect in the Kenya embassy bombing).
A few years later, the regime actually changed their story and accused Saddam Hussein for having been involved in the 09/11 event (in addition to making a false claim about weapons which Iraq did not have ... something to which Colin Powell indirectly admitted)
Oh really ... and why did the regime speak of "AMERICA is under attack" and treated the whole thing in a lunatic manner as "A WAR"??? Were civilians at the time in charge of defending the country under attack while the military took a vacation and played some "war games" ??
Good night, America ... if your defense is that good as was displayed on that fateful day!! with all the billions $ spent on the military ànd intelligence complex, they could not defend the country against an attack of less than 20 civilians who had no military training and were armed with carpet knives ?
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-11T11:51:30-04:00 — #36
Not true, I created a new thread just for that topic.
No real investigation? Are you crazy?
If there are facts you should be able to find a credible source. PC has no credibility and I will not entertain anything that is sourced back to his publications.
This is just an ignorant statement. We were not at war, it was a surprise attack against civilians.
It was a different era Wolfgang. And before pointing fingers at America (who takes security very seriously now) you should have a look at your country who lets terrorists in in droves and has had several attacks over the last few years.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-11T12:59:22-04:00 — #37
Ni, I don't consider myself crazy .... oh, yes, there has been an investigation ... and it found exactly what was needed Unfortunately, what some thought was needed to seal the case, was not quite sufficient to meet standards normally employed in crime investigations of far less magnitude.
The then US president and his falcons apparently not only thought differently but publically talked differently.
What was different? Was it an era of stupidity being financed with billions of $ and incompetent fools in chief positions?
Oh dear ... who has caused the terrorist threats and actually been essential in creating the various terror groups, such as ISIS, Al Queida? According to Hillary Clinton, it was the USA who financed and initially formed ISIS and other "head chopper" groups, and even now is supporting ISIS in Syria ....
Your deviation attempt does not do anything to eliminate the obvious problems with the official stories being propagated for those events ...
Who is behind European countries, and in particular Germany, being flooded with illegal immigrants? The puppet players who are playing the chancellor puppet Merkel are to be found not in Germany, but across the North Atlantic ...
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-11T13:23:06-04:00 — #38
According to who?
You are mixing two things. You are talking about the response, not the event. Are you saying we were at war prior to the event?
Actually you have yet to raise legitimate issues with the "official" stories.
Um, Merkel's open door policy and attitudes towards refugees from that area are to blame, not the United States.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-11T14:42:41-04:00 — #39
The regime announced that "America was under attack" ... in other words, someone had started a war against the USA, and the USA was going to respond with war.
Are you really ignorant that Merkel is a USA puppet? are you ignorant of the truth that Germany has not been since 1945 and still is not a sovereign country (reason being that the Western WWII allies are refusing to make a formal peace treaty ... insisting that the status quo continues) ?
Has Germany bombed various countries in the Middle East to shreds and destroyed infrastructure and orderly life in those countries, or has such been the plan of the USA and some Western vassal countries (such as UK) from even before 09/11/2001, then carried out after 09/11??
Who destabilized Libya ... was that Germany, that did not participate in the bombing? Or was that the USA with cohorts, bringing "democracy and human rights" (or was that really not on the plate, but only the lies propagated by the propaganda?) to Libya ?? While Gadaffi was in power, the country was stable, the economy was going well, the people enjoyed free education, free health care, etc ...and any terrorist attempts and powers were under control ...no migrants from Libya and countries to the south trying to invade Europe to be seen anywhere ....
What about Syria? Before the USA began to finance and install ISIS and Al Queida in Syria to overthrow the elected president Assad, the country was in good shape, people of various religions -- among them quite many Christians ! -- were free to worship and assemble, and things were going well .... except that he did not quite want to give in to certain USA globalist agendas. Next thing we saw was the USA fostered attempt for regime change in Syria ... same strategy as previously used in other places around the world, in particular most recently in Iraq and Libya.
What happened then? Millions of Syrians fled the country from the USA instigated regime change war ... before that, there were no significant numbers of people from Syria seeking refuge or fleeing the country.
I guess, Merkel is to blame for all that? Actually, I don't think she has such power nor is she in the position. She - very obediently to her masters across the North Atlantic -- violated European law, German law and disregarded European treaties and German constitution regulations ... and - yes - by doing so accommodated what was instigated by her masters in Washington.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-10-11T14:57:59-04:00 — #40
Correct, that was AFTER the event. The attack wasn't against the military and we weren't already in a state of war so the military wasn't mobilized. It happened way too fast. That being said, the military was ready to shoot down the fourth plane before it crashed.
Does Germany make its own polices? Yes.
That's not relevant.
Oh brother Wolfgang. It is clear that you just hate the United States. That is probably why you are so into conspiracy theories because the United States, in your mind, is soooo evil.
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