bkmitchell — 2017-08-13T08:30:59-04:00 — #1
Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean that once if one loses faith even if they regain it they can never again be a Christian?
Why or why not? And, if not what does Hebrews 6:4 - 6 mean?
dave_l — 2017-08-13T10:23:19-04:00 — #2
I believe the writer of Hebrews (probably Paul) is addressing an audience of Jewish converts to Christ. He mentions repentance from "dead works" asking; how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 9:14
And I believe he is warning them against returning to the Law and sacrifices. That in so doing, they would be among those who crucified Jesus instead of being among those whom Jesus died for. They would crucify Jesus all over again, but as a sinner this time by openly turning their backs on him. And history shows, in so doing, they would be among those in the great tribulation that came upon Jerusalem in 70AD.
bkmitchell — 2017-08-14T18:26:16-04:00 — #3
This sounds reasonable and in my humble opinion is a logical response.
tyrone_howard — 2017-08-15T10:18:18-04:00 — #4
I believe it is a statement to those who have experienced the powers in the Holy Ghost over sin, sickness, bondage who then choose to go back into the world, and think they can be restored by simply calling on the name Jesus in their moment of death and escape eternal punishment.
the goal of a Christian should not be to learn about laying on of hands, washing in the word, healing the sick, raising the dead, the the judgment that rest eternally upon death and then forsake it all to choose a life of Sin. Only to try to make it right in the end to avoid the punishment which awaits. for God shall not be mocked.
Those which have entered into an deeper knowledge and life with Jesus Christ and the Power of the Holy Ghost can not revert to elementary doctrines to claim salvation or repentance like being saved from the burning at the last moment. That is reserved for the un-learned. Those of us who have chosen to walk deeper must continue to progress, not relay the beginning works over and over. Preventing our own maturity, but surely we shall not turn away for once we have put our hand to the plow to bear fruit - turning away is not backsliding. It is blasphemy. Calling the Holy ghost and the power in your life you've experienced, a lie.
I must add,while it is impossible for that man it is not impossible for God to restore him
dave_l — 2017-08-16T06:54:35-04:00 — #5
This passage always challenged me. How many live in sin thinking they have no hope because they lost their salvation by failing to understand the passage? And how many think salvation is by works because of failing to understand the meaning? It makes sense to them that if you can lose your salvation through lack of obedience, then salvation must be a result of what you do or do not do.
But I think Judas is the perfect example. One who had been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift. And made a partaker of the Holy Spirit. And tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come. Only to fall away without hope of being saved.
The Scriptures teach that believers cannot lose their salvation but always overcome (1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:4). So others fall away having been partakers of the Holy Spirit in a nominal sense, while not having the Holy Spirit. Judas provides an example because the Holy Spirit was with the apostles through Jesus before Pentecost, and they all partook of his presence. But after Pentecost he resided only in true believers.
In the Parable of the sower, 3/4 of the nominal believers fail. But only the good soil produces lasting fruit. The good soil represents the New Birth.