gao_lu — 2017-09-25T00:20:41-04:00 — #1
Proper Baptism Form is:
- Essential for salvation
- Not essential for salvation
- Infant or young child
- Young adult or older
- Once forward or backward
- Thrice forward or backward
- In the name of Jesus alone
- In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Note: My intent is not that we defend our positions, but that together we understand the reasons for the different points of view.
dave_l — 2017-09-25T05:07:50-04:00 — #2
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ by dipping in, under and out of the water represents Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. Which is essentially the gospel message. So we baptize in the name of him who died and lives for us. Having ourselves publicly and symbolically identified with his name and the gospel message. Exactly as the disciples did throughout the book of Acts.
Only believers should receive baptism since Philip underscored the need of believing with the heart before he would baptize the eunuch.
Baptism does not save a person because Simon the sorcerer received baptism and remained lost.
"Baptism" of infants is not biblical. And is more akin to the Evangelicals who hold "baby dedication services".
Baptism of believers in Jesus' name by pouring or even sprinkling doesn't symbolize the gospel message. But might be OK when enough water is not available or conditions do not allow.
Does baptism in Jesus’ name contradict Jesus’ command to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? No, because Jesus Christ is the name of YHWH the triune God.
tyrone_howard — 2017-09-25T11:17:10-04:00 — #3
Proper Baptism Form is:
Essential for salvation: Absolutely Not. Baptism is a confession of faith, no a prerequisite for Salvation. However when opportunity is available one, should be baptised.
Case and Point: Believer comes to Christ, Church hold baptisms that night. Believer dies on way to Baptism. That soul does not perish in hell.
Infant or young child: Baptism is confession, Infant Baptisms are a confession of the parents to consecrate the child to the raising of him/her in the fear and love of Jesus Christ. Should not be required nor prevented.
A Person should desire to be baptised, the age is irrelevant. Once the person desires, should be done if conditions available.
all of the above. Baptism is a confession, if you have a 93 year old woman, submersing her in water could be dangerous healthwise sprinkling may be better- A Heavy Man, it may be better to pour rather then attempt to lift.
Once forward or backward
Thrice forward or backward
I don't know if this matters, or is biblical in any direction. But I've only ever seen it done backwards.
In the name of Jesus alone
In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Father is a title, Son is a title, Holy Ghost is a designation of the description of the Spirit's origin and makeup. The only Name is Jesus Christ.
alex_vaughn — 2017-09-25T12:27:12-04:00 — #4
First, I'll say that being saved or experiencing salvation is being released from bondage to sin, being reborn as a new creature, and starting to experience the process of sanctification. It doesn't mean getting a ticket to heaven when you die.
Regarding the questions, I hold these views loosely, but I've yet to work these matters out in detail. 1/2) I'd suggest that joining the Church and salvation occurs at baptism. 3/4) I value the commitment of parents, godparents and the congregation to help a raise a child in the light of God's word, but don't consider infant baptism to be appropriate. The person must be able to make up their own mind and have an awareness of morality. 5-7) Since the Greek word for baptism refers to immersion, the analogous Jewish practice of mikveh and incidental details in the NT indicate immersion to be the practice. In addition, immersion is the best visual representation of rebirth and resurrection (Rom 6). However in cases where immersion is not possible, then other forms may be acceptable as the Church Fathers allowed in the desert and for those on their deathbeds. 12/13) Matt 28 seems to point towards baptism in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
tyrone_howard — 2017-09-25T21:42:00-04:00 — #5
I respect your opinions. Always have.
I dont like semantics, well I do. I dont like arguing over them because we probbaly won't agree but I'll offer the semantics of my view understand all won't agree but if it can usher ones confidence in their own beliefs either by strengthening or uprooting and regrounding them its worth it brothers.
I see it like this:
Deliverance is action (of) freeing, being freed from bandage. Salvation, is the act of saving. It is ongoing untill completed. Saved is completion of the act of salvation. Delivered is the completion of deliverance.
I believe the process can start here but total completion is what Jesus spoke of on the cross, as he hung there suffering untill he saw the completed versions of you and I. The Saved. Delivered. Healed. Glorified. Completed product of The fathers creation. It is finished. He had done what was needed to bring Man to completion. If we can receive its already happened even though we can't see it yet so we profess to be saved. In truth we are in the process, baptism is the confession we are willing to and have begun this journey.