News & Current Events
dave_l — 2017-09-08T14:42:24-04:00 — #1
Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, Katia. And Hurricane season hasn't peaked yet..
“The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, And will not at all acquit the wicked: The LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, And the clouds are the dust of his feet.” (Nahum 1:3)
Judgement or something else?
david_taylor_jr — 2017-09-08T15:32:59-04:00 — #2
Normal weather cycle.
gao_lu — 2017-09-08T17:24:34-04:00 — #3
When it is judgment we won't be wondering, we will know.
On the other hand, recent events are making a lot of people talk about "judgment." There are reasons.
tyrone_howard — 2017-09-08T20:10:45-04:00 — #4
Some judgment. Some weather.
alex_vaughn — 2017-09-08T22:35:32-04:00 — #5
I'd not judgement. I'd say the consequences of our actions. While climate is not weather, higher ocean temperatures and ocean levels rising do make hurricane storm surges more damaging and the rains wetter.
bill_coley — 2017-09-09T01:55:59-04:00 — #6
In fact, it's quite normal to have two category 4+ hurricanes hit the continental U.S. within a couple of weeks of each other... except for the fact that since record keeping began in 1851, two category 4+ hurricanes have never hit the continental U.S. in the same season, let alone within a few weeks of each other.
So other than the fact that two storms of such magnitude hitting the U.S. in the same season is quite abnormal, storms Harvey and Irma do represent a "normal weather cycle."
bill_coley — 2017-09-09T01:58:55-04:00 — #7
The difference between climate and weather is crucial. Thanks for reminding us, Alex.
Do you know whether climate change skeptics and deniers also deny the science of hurricanes, that storm strength is in part a function of ocean water temperatures?
gao_lu — 2017-09-09T02:30:55-04:00 — #8
All just normal. Just natural.
All just climate change. Normal, natural, man-made climate change.
dave_l — 2017-09-09T06:24:01-04:00 — #9
I ran across this in the morning news about Billy Graham's daughter espousing the divine wrath view of America's present struggles.
bkmitchell — 2017-09-09T06:56:16-04:00 — #10
On, one hand we can be assured that nothing happens without God's permission, however, on the other hand, it might be best not claim something as the judgment from God if he has not directly informed us. Take in mind the story of Job, and of his friends who presumed to know the mind of God and passed judgment on Job, but were sincerely mistaken.
dave_l — 2017-09-09T07:01:50-04:00 — #11
Good point. Where I differ is that I don't think God permits anything, but instead causes everything. Since he empowers everything and nothing moves on its own. So I probably see these disasters as Job type trials (which are actually blessings) for the elect. And wrath on everyone else. “He who believes in the Son has eternal life. He who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)
bkmitchell — 2017-09-09T07:10:08-04:00 — #12
This is very interesting.
I think most Christians including myself would agree that God is the first cause, but I think Christians, in general, would disagree over answers to the questions like;
"Does God's directly cause sin to happen or does he simply allow it to happen?" and "Did, he create evil and sin? or Did he allow it to happen?"
tyrone_howard — 2017-09-09T07:17:12-04:00 — #13
I heard out the mouth of a seer last year in December what was to come this year. I was in the service and felt the spirit of Elohim as utterance was given. I know also of a tape some 39 years ago, I think 1976 im going to try to see if I can get the actual recording, but if not it was the same seer, holding services in Houston. The pastors told their congregation not to go hear the word because he was a fraud. Last day of service, Judgment was passed about the destruction which would come. I wont go into details until I get my hand on the tape, I am only sharing, knowing that most won't believe, but that's not my job to convince. I can only testify of what I've seen and heard. I heard the judgements passed for this year, I've watched them come forth. Lord Jesus have Mercy on your servants
I also won't provide names because I don't want blasphemy laid to the charge of anyone and I know many are prone to doubt and unbelief. God bless
dave_l — 2017-09-09T07:24:20-04:00 — #14
God created evil when he created Adam knowing he would sin. In this sense, God is the cause but Adam is the author. Adam truly wanted to sin or he would not have.
People try to absolve God from the charge of sin by creating free will. But God still caused sin when he created the universe.
david_taylor_jr — 2017-09-09T10:17:23-04:00 — #15
The categories of the hurricanes are wind speeds and can be within a few mph of each other. So keep that in mind.
Let's look at some history....
In 2005 we had Dennis, Katrina and Rita. All Cat 3 storms with Cat 4 max winds.
The year before we had Charley (technically cat 4 but had lower wind speeds than Katrina), Ivan, and Jeneane. (Jeneane had more deaths than Katrina).
In 1999 we had Bret (cat 3) and Floyd (cat 2 with cat 4 winds)
In 1989 we had cat 4 Hugo.
In IS the normal cycle of things to have major hurricanes make landfall in succession of each other. That is why it is called hurricane season. In case you missed it, hurricane season happens EVERY YEAR.
bill_coley — 2017-09-09T11:53:19-04:00 — #16
The examples you offer, David, report the existence of hurricanes and, perhaps, hurricane seasons, but they do not disprove the claim I made in my previous post, that two cat-4+ storms have never hit the U.S. mainland in one season (and might not this time, depending on how much Irma re-strengthens following its weakening while over Cuba).
A detail: A cat-3 hurricane "with cat-4 max winds" is still a cat-3 hurricane.
And to add to the intensity of this hurricane season, we should note that a few days behind Irma is Hurricane Jose, which is now a cat-4 storm with sustained winds of 155 mph. That's three consecutive cat-4 Atlantic storms within a few weeks. Yes, Jose will move north well before the U.S. mainland, but its presence in such a relatively compact queue is not normal.
alex_vaughn — 2017-09-09T16:30:27-04:00 — #17
I'm not aware of any denials concerning the science of how hurricanes develop specifically. I can say though that the 50" of rain in the Houston area released by Harvey is not typical or normal.
gao_lu — 2017-09-09T17:33:04-04:00 — #18
Review of Current Events:
- Full Eclipse - that alarmed a lot of people surprisingly
- Fires raging over the West
- Hurricane after hurricane with major devastation
- Rumors of major wars all around the earth
- Unprecedented apostasy of the Church
- Unprecedented proud display sin by masses of people
Maybe something is going on.
bkmitchell — 2017-09-09T18:30:30-04:00 — #19
bill_coley — 2017-09-09T18:38:40-04:00 — #20
What a valuable collection of failed and likely-to-be-failed prophecies of the end of the world, a collection that proves that throughout time, people of genuine faith and serious intention have misread the Bible and/or the "signs of the times." I'm confident, if also disappointed, that such misreading continues in the current age.
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