tyrone_howard — 2017-10-31T11:40:13-04:00 — #1
My Brothers, Verily, Verily I say unto thee The True Mystery of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is this:
God in Christ, Christ in you, the Hope of Glory.
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2Corinthians 5:19
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:27
[Disclaimer]I can only share what was revealed to me. I understand you don’t know my ministry enough to trust me off what I tell you, so I beseech thee to seek and pray. I do know this, It God’s Pleasure to reveal Christ in us, but we must seek. God calls, we seek, God reveals. (Paul said when it pleased God to separate him from his mother’s womb & called him by grace was pleased to reveal Christ IN him. Galatians 1:15-16
God in Christ, Christ in you, the Hope of Glory (as it was revealed to me by Our Lord with the Word as supporting scriptures)
Christ Humanity Revealed in Jesus
Christ translated from Masaiah, The Word translated from Logos, God's Salvation, God's Word was with God from the beginning, The Word IS God from the beginning (John 1:1; Genesis 1:26) desiring that the humanity of Christ, which was revealed only in his Son Jesus, begotten, who experienced birth and suffered death.
God, desiring to reveal the humanity of HIS saving Grace, HIS power to save, even to reveal to all that are loss, sent HIS salvation, titled Christ to the earth as a man (Romans 1:3), placed Christ by the Holy ghost in the womb of Mary (Matthew 1:18), the very blood was God’s own (Acts 20:27-29) so when it was shed it would atone, (Hebrews 9:12), so that the fulfilling of prophecy by Isaiah would be true, God with us, Emmanuel (Isaiah 7:14).
Jesus of Nazareth the Holy Lamb of YHWH, predestined to be the atonement for our sins. He came as a baby Luke 2:16), born of a virgin(Luke 1:27), the blood of God(Acts 20:27-29), he lived and was crucified as a man (Hebrews 2:9), that the humanity of God’s Salvation, Christ might be revealed in Jesus. Philippians 2:6-8).
Humanity of Christ, Born as a Man & Crucified as a Man
Jesus tired(John 4:6), he wept(John 11:35), he felt pain, bore our sickness, grief sorrows(Isaiah 53:3-5), even our death(Isaiah 53:12) – God is a spirit ( John 4:24 ), you can’t scourge God, but that the humanity of Christ would be revealed (Romans 1:3), which could be scourged (John 19:1), as God having no pleasure in burnt offerings of blood and goats, desired a perfect sacrifice: a body. This himself through Christ took on in Jesus his Son.( Hebrews 10:10).
But Now, Glory be to God, alleluyah! Our savior is risen as our Lord!
Paul declares, to know Christ NO MORE after the flesh even as we are no longer to know each other after the flesh. He describes that once he died for all, and was risen and glorified he was no longer the human, having completed God’s desire to reveal the humanity of Christ revealed in Jesus, he was now glorified with Power and a name above all other names.( 2Corinthians 5:15-17)
15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Before Thomas called Jesus, God,
Jesus appeared after resurrection to Mary. Before Mary was still the humanity of Christ revealed in Jesus, not yet presented unto the father therefore not Glorified. John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
After Glorification, before final ascension Jesus Christ, beckoned them to touch him John 20:27
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Christ completed the task given him, as a Man, defeating sin, death & grave, putting it on display on the Cross, taking upon himself, the full cup of the wrath of God. Christ did this, as a man, named Jesus. When Christ presented Jesus to the father, all authority, and power, was given to Jesus our Lord and our Christ. Matthew 28:18. And he sat at the Right hand of Power and is there even unto this Day.
Jesus was made the Christ, Our god and Savior
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. .( 1Corinthians 15:45)
Now know him no more after the flesh( 1corinthians 15:16). Jesus is Christ (Acts 2:36). A spirit (1corinthians 15:45). The spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9), God’s Salvation (Romans 1:16) – He is God (John 20:28).
Our hope of glory, & We have him in us through the Holy Ghost.
God in Christ, Christ in Us, the Hope of Glory.
I feel as though my time on CD may be coming to a close soon, as we all know there is a time for everything. IF this is the case in advance I want to offer contact information. I do travel to preach if the Lord lays me upon your heart I'll be more the glad to come.
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dave_l — 2017-10-31T15:12:12-04:00 — #2
Are you the first in church history to receive this revelation?
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-31T15:30:11-04:00 — #3
Peter was the first to explain it on the day of Pentecost. They had it in part, I don't think any of them fully had it before The Holy Ghost was sent on the day of pentecost.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-31T16:54:54-04:00 — #4
I was part of a US based ministry in the late 1970ies and throughout the 1980ies where this exact phrase and much of what you write was claimed to have been revealed to its founder and main teacher in the early 1940ies as part of God's call to him to make known God's Word as it had not been known for many centuries and even the times from first century.
I personally would not make such claims of "special revelation", and especially so if what is stated in the claims as revelation from God or revelation from Jesus Christ has flaws and is based on a particular understanding of a few passages of Scripture which do not necessarily even have to be understood that way because contradictions to other Scripture passages arise ... such as OT passages being interpreted in non-Scriptural ways and made out to teach that Jesus was already alive in OT times and appeared as "angel of the LORD", "Melchizedek", "4th man in the fire" in book of Daniel, etc etc
tyrone_howard — 2017-10-31T17:05:49-04:00 — #5
The revelation is not based on the scriptures about preincarnate Christ, Any other texts in scripture contrary to the Revelation?
The parts about the Pre-incarnate Christ, I added those which maybe I shouldn't have and will take out. Thanks for the advice, I'll leave them out to prevent those who don't understand these texts in the same way as to not cloud the entirety of the Revelation.
Second, there's no such thing as a "Special Revelation". The Mystery of the Revelation, was revealed by Paul, and the rest of the disciples even if lost due to mistranslations, false doctrines etc. Ephesians 3:1-5 verifies that although this revelation was originally given only to the apostles and prophets, yet now this is available to all. It is one which Paul had afore time made known, and its not special - its scripture.
1.For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
So we know this:
1) there is a mystery: which explains why multitudes read the same passages and come to separate conclusions about whether Jesus was God or Man; having text which seem to support both = mystery
2) it only comes by revelation, because the Letter is dead it is the Spirit which gives life
3) the mystery is about Christ
& apart of the dispensation of Grace:
4) Is God's desire for everyone to know it.
Sounds like whoever you once followed may have had a ministry - at the very least this minister did have the revelation correct. Why do you use the term "use to". did he do something to discredit himself?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-11-01T03:47:49-04:00 — #6
The term "special" in my expression refers to certain persons claiming to have received such revelation which other people did not receive. The term "special" did not refer to "a special content". As I tried to show you from my personal experience years ago, there have already been others who claimed the same as you claim to have received by revelation from Jesus Christ ... actually, no revelation from Jesus Christ is needed, since -- as you also say -- this knowledge was revealed long before and has been part of Scripture and can be ascertained by reading the Scriptures rather than by it being specially revealed to someone again who then writes it down again .....
I have no clue how one could read Eph 3 and the rest of NT scriptures and arrive at such an idea about the meaning of the expression "mystery of Christ"
In the very passage you quoted from Eph 3:1-5, Paul clearly states that he received the information concerning the mystery of Christ, but that now that he had written it in the epistle they could learn if by reading what he wrote as it had been revealed to him .... Again, there is nothing about believers getting proper understanding by revelation in order to understand. The "because the letter is dead it is the Spirit which gives life" has nothing to do with the context to which you are applying it
Yes, what had been a mystery in that God had not previously revealed it to man, pertained to certain aspects of how the Messiah would accomplish redemption and salvation ... the reason why God had kept this a mystery previous to the time when God revealed it is mentioned in 1Co 2.
Yes, the knowledge concerning Christ, which had been a mystery until it was revealed to Paul, is now available for everyone to be known ... how? by reading the NT scriptures where this knowledge is now written and no longer is a mystery.
I could not find any "use to" in my previous post to which you replied .... I wrote in the past tense, because for a few decades already I have no longer been a part in that group. Also, from what I just wrote above, you can notice that I now have my doubts about those claims made there ...
dave_l — 2017-11-01T05:55:50-04:00 — #7
Did Jesus have fully human blood or Divine (not human) blood? You are not clear on this.
bkmitchell — 2017-11-01T07:40:32-04:00 — #8
Thank you for your post and for giving us an opportunity to stay in touch or at least respond:
In my opinion, you helped to make the forums all the richer by starting threads and adding to the ongoing discussions. Although, or rather because we come from different parts of the body of Christendom and sometimes see the scriptures from different vantage points I will miss our interactions on these forums.
I will continue to keep and your work in my prayers!
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T09:20:45-04:00 — #9
You might have missed this my Friend.
dave_l — 2017-11-01T09:42:00-04:00 — #10
This is what I was talking about. How do you interpret this verse? Did Jesus (God) purchase the church with his own (100% human blood)? Or was his blood not derived from his bone marrow like everyone else, having a different source?
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T09:50:50-04:00 — #11
Revelation comes through the Recorded word of God or The utterance of God's Word to us in the ear of our Heart, or the Showing of God's Word in Vision.
Jesus said only God could reveal Christ to or In us. If you read it, and get the Revelation of Jesus Christ, Has not the Holy Ghost, which is Spirit, provided life to the letter and opened the scriptures(revealed)?
So I don't understand your point of contention. Is there some part of the Revelation you do not understand or do not agree with? I'll be more then happy to talk about it but I cannot convince you one way or the other. A minsters Job is simply to present God's Word, not convince.
Nothing wrong with having doubts about what people claim my brother. The Man, who came to Jesus had doubts whether or not his Son could be delivered of that spirit, by even Jesus himself, because many disciples had Tried and Failed.
This is similar to what happens to Us today, at least for myself. Many persons claiming to be of, from or know Jesus when I was growing up didn't resemble Christ in the scriptures. So doubt crept in. However the Man, told Jesus this and cried out, for Jesus to help his unbelief, which he did.(Mark 9:24)
I'm awaiting for apart of this revelation myself @Wolfgang_Schneider, if you notice I stopped after explaining the part of the mystery of God in Christ, I did not try to explain Christ in us the Hope of Glory.
Because I'm seeking and praying that he will reveal himself in me. I believe he's in there, I believe his Word. I need to know, which goes beyond believing. This can only come by revelation - and so untill then I just preach Jesus. To have a effective ministry, I believe you have to have the full revelation in you - Paul said God separating and revealed Christ IN him, not to him. I'm sure everyone else on this forum has this already, I'm just staying on my knees, sackcloth and ashes untill it comes to me.
Because for me this is real. this is more then a discourse. for me, ministry is not apart of my life it is my life. I gave everything up to start this path and I have no intentions of Going back. I'll end with this my brother:
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is Life & Death. Its not a competition. Its not a Bible Quoting Contest. It is Life to them that believe, and damnation to them who do not. that's far to serious for me, to pretend I have something I do not, and worth too much to seek him continually untill he gives me what he desires for me to have, to accomplish the work he has set before me.
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T10:06:34-04:00 — #12
Why is there an interpretation needed.
for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of (1) God. 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained(2) with his own blood (3)
1: IS the Who
2: Is what he did
3. IS what he did #2 with
dave_l — 2017-11-01T10:12:53-04:00 — #13
Because, if Jesus' blood was not 100% human, he did not come in the flesh, of which 100% human blood is the life thereof. And according to Apostle John your "revelation" came not from God, but from the spirit of antichrist instead. “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” (2 John 7)
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T10:14:58-04:00 — #14
If whats in the Word, isn't enough for you I don't know what to tell you. I can't give you any more or any less.
dave_l — 2017-11-01T10:19:09-04:00 — #15
It seems I recall our going around about this before where you denied Jesus had human blood....
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T10:20:01-04:00 — #16
My answer "If whats in the Word, isn't enough for you I don't know what to tell you. I can't give you any more or any less" is sufficient for this post as well.
dave_l — 2017-11-01T10:25:29-04:00 — #17
You seemed to interpret differently denying Jesus had 100% human blood.
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T10:32:53-04:00 — #18
I have said many things on this forum, many opinions, many interpretations, some to which I still hold true to today, others which I have come to learn differently. Part of being Human. None of which is important. God's Word, is all that is important. Even in this the Scriptures are fulfilled.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
To your question; Acts gave an answer to this EXACT question to which you are not satisfied? What need have ye that I should teach you any further? You have the Scriptures, search them out. In them You believe you have eternal life, it is them which speak of Christ.
tyrone_howard — 2017-11-01T10:48:43-04:00 — #19
Thank you, my leave is not for ill-will, or because I don't like discourse. I in fact enjoy it. I will miss my discourses with everyone here, but if any wishes to reach me I'll still be available.
And Who Knows! I may just come back from time to time to read - or Offer Devotionals if God Permits. Just not going to be doing the back and forth portion any longer.
dave_l — 2017-11-01T10:53:07-04:00 — #20
Are you saying your views on this passage changed from the last time we discussed it? Probably right after you entered this forum? If so, why is it wrong for me to ask that you clarify your position with another updated interpretation? So we know where you are leading others?
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