are participants here concerned with the Logos/Faithlife upgrade policies to their software in recent times?
Compare the following information and especially the many comments made by Logos users about the Logos 7 full feature set announcement
Any thoughts of participants on this forum about this matter?
Thanks for raising this issue, Wolfgang.
I agree with the assessment offered by many of the reviewers as to the price of the new engine. Logos is valuable software for my work and study, but not at the price Logos charges, given the limited value I receive from version upgrades. (I respect that others may receive great value from version upgrades!)
I have no plans to move from my current version of Logos given the upgrade price I'd have to pay.
It seems that Logos 6 had almost everything you could possible want for serious study. Logos 7 is at the point of diminishing returns for me, and some of the "You pay for datasets not the engine" marketing gets silly when things like the Sermon Editor are not included.
I'm with you guys on this. I looked at the list of "features" for the L7 full feature set and it looks like I already have a great many of them, and the ones I didn't have were not compelling. Also, my library is already pretty good, so this time I intend to wait until the L7 core engine is made available for free. I think I read somewhere that this was due to happen in February, which figures, since that is after the holiday gift season.
What I want most is responsiveness and fuzzy search, a cousin of what you might get from Google Search such as spelling corrections/variations. The "Bible Browser" is a step that direction but is only in Logos Now subscription, so upgrading to Logos 7 won't get you that.
Logos 7 adds some bells and whistles that are interesting enough, but not compelling. I look at them a time or too, say "cool!" and seldom look at them again. There were some resources I wanted, so I chose to "upgrade" (if you call it that) buying a package and the datasets upgrade together--which was cheaper than buying one alone.
I can see how the sermon editor could be nice, and some people seem to like it.I probably won't as I don't project my sermons. But I'll keep it in mind and who knows, a time may come.
The Multiple Resources feature is quite useful. I use it sometimes.
The Guide Sections are substantially improved, and make better results available. This improvement is worth a lot to me. I was very pleasantly surprised and think that for most users' practical use, this improvement is the most undersold-for-value in Logos 7. Of course a lot of other goodies upgraded in Logos appear here, so it is sort of a catch basin for a many of the best thing Logos upgraded. They market each individual item improved rather than what I think is the actual user experience--greatly improved Guides.
Addressee is nice to have--I use it on occasion. Not sure why it wasn't just in Logos 6, but I guess it was a motivation for some to buy Logos Now.
I use the Concordance now and then, and find it more useful than I supposed. I have even imported books into Logos sot apply the concordance feature. There are free concordance makers out but Logos' concordance is probably best for how I use it.
The Courses Tool is quite an improvement if you use Logos courses. Even if you don't it is a way to access a lot of media built into Logos that might otherwise be left forgotten.
There are many bells and whistles such as Corresponding Words which are interesting and useful, but on the run doing study, I just rarely use them.
I use Logos extensively, often for hours a day. I love it, and think the upgrade worthwhile overall. Not everyone will think so for the cost. Years ago I bought a Logos package for each of my children back when Logos 4 came out, intending to upgrade them year by year, perhaps as a Christmas gift. Reality is that they use it, but no where nearly to its potential. So, they have upgraded the engines, but that is all. Maybe someday--but for now they are all too busy with ministry, school and babies.
Specifically regarding the policies: The engine upgrade is free. Fair enough. There is no change from Logos 6-7 other than the number that appears when you start as far as I know. I don't see the new datasets as an upgrade, they are just new datasets and features. But those datasets drive a LOT of improvements. "Logos 7" doesn't really seem like a software upgrade of Logos at all, and I don't think it is. It is just a marketing plan and a fair one to motivate people to buy resources by re-arranging packages and creating a group of datasets or a group of features for sale.
Breaking up the datasets and features might reduce the price and entice more people to buy at reduced price. But because the core datasets are largely interactive, that might not be worthwhile.
Here is a way to look at it. You already have the upgrade to the engine/software, because there is nothing new about it. In February your number changes to "7" for free. If you want a re-vamped package, buy that. I don't think of that as an upgrade, but as a new package of resources. If you want some datasets or new features, buy those. They are spendy, but quite valuable I think for some users (like me).