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wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-11T16:34:20-05:00 — #1
I suggest to read the following article with reference to the CNN "report" about Russia and Trump
The Neocon’s declaration of war against Trump
The USA is facing a very severe crisis ... and the reason is not "Trump's doings" but the empire, oligarchs, elites, "deep state" showing their true colors.
They are not in the least interested in what's good for the USA and the American people ... their sole interest is to stay in power and continue their evil in trying to be the world hegemon at whatever cost ...
Some still think that Trump is "the bad guy" causing America to go down the drain ... After reading the information available and giving some more sober consideration to what has been going on since the election in early November 2016, it should be clear who the bad guys are and from where the dangers for "getting us all killed" really come ...
gao_lu — 2017-01-11T17:30:10-05:00 — #2
What will take America down is a nation that will not repent, a church that will not pray, and Christians who are not living obedient to Christ. I suspect that who is President is far secondary to our success. God can raise up and take down leaders as He chooses. Trump is not our answer, and war against him is nothing to be feared. That is how I see it.
I do not know all the truth about Trump, only the limited vision I have. I have hope that he will be less inclined to war and more accommodating or Godly morality. The previous administration seemed to be steering America away from God. Will Trump be better or worse? We don't know. What we do know is that slander and fighting within ourselves cannot be God's will. My observation is that those fighting against Trump are playing perfectly into the hand of Asian powers with every intent to destroy America any way at any cost. Perhaps they do so unwittingly.
In the end, God is in control. So fear not. Peace, peace, be still.
alex_vaughn — 2017-01-11T21:37:23-05:00 — #3
In some sense, you are right, but "God's will is not done on Earth as in Heaven." And, all nations rise and fall. If Trump's rise leads to the fall of the US democracy, then that is certainly something to warn against. Yet of course, the Church will endure, and perhaps gain a greater heart for the poor, opressed, prisoner, widow, orphan, stranger, and the weakest in our society. If this happens, then it would be the Church's gain and the US's loss.
Again though if Paul could pray for Nero, Claudius, Caligula and Tiberius, then I suppose that I can pray for Trump.
Note: I made a historical error in the previous version, because Paul most likely didn't live at the time of Domitian's reign (AD 81 - 96)
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-12T02:57:21-05:00 — #4
The point is NOT that Trump's success in the election and rise leads to the fall of the USA democracy ... but that the Neocons coup against the democratically elected president would lead to that fall !!
Let's not blame the wrong side
gao_lu — 2017-01-13T17:47:03-05:00 — #5
We have a witch hunt going on, a silly one, albeit a noisy one. A band of intolerant, entitlement-minded special interest groups are throwing a fit because they might lose political advantage to force good people to conform to their evil behavior. Amazing the kind of people who will don a cloak and howl with such a little crowd. So, now they form a witch hunt to malign and slander a man, an imperfect man, a President, who tries to turn a nation back to common sense. But not to worry. Before long, we trust, the firebrands will fade into the jungle. Now and then we shall hear howls of protest and maybe suffer an act of terrorism here and there, but overall, we trust, things will become better. Hope blooms so eternal.
However all that turns out, in the end, we know who wins. Our Lord Jesus Christ shall return in glory and rule in a kingdom of peace. Workers of iniquity shall be cast out. Those who worship Him, shall worship in the beauty of holiness.
gao_lu — 2017-01-18T17:52:33-05:00 — #6
50 Democratic anti-American congressmen won't attend the inauguration.
Trump said he would drain the swamp. Drain, Baby, Drain.
Under Obama's 8 year tenure we endured 8 years of war, every single day of his presidency. That is the most war under any president in US history. Let's hope Trump changes that.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-19T01:59:50-05:00 — #7
Looks like the current "Democratic" party has been infiltrated with a larger number of ANTI-democratic folks for years ... they show a behavior found more in leftist fascist organizations.
bill_coley — 2017-01-19T09:37:09-05:00 — #8
Much to the contrary, Wolfgang, I contend that the decision of those members of Congress not to attend the inauguration is a particularly American act, one rooted in our constitution's bill of rights' explicit provision of the freedom to assemble - and not assemble - not to mention its provision of the freedom of speech.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-19T09:40:27-05:00 — #9
Sure ... sure ... sure ... and thereby demonstrate your undemocratic behavior concerning the election displayed in "non-acceptance" attitude. These folks are showing what kind of fools they really are
bill_coley — 2017-01-19T10:20:15-05:00 — #10
You are, of course, welcome to assert foolishness as you see fit, Wolfgang, but I advise caution as you allege my "undemocratic behavior(s)" and "non acceptance attitudes."
As I have made clear on multiple occasions in these threads, I consider Donald Trump to be the duly elected president-elect of the United States. The man won the electoral college, the mechanism by which we elect our presidents, which in my view makes his election both legitimate and constitutional.
I contend the significance I attach to the fact that 2.8 million more Americans voted for Secretary Clinton than voted for Mr. Trump does not reflect "undemocratic behavior," but rather a passion for more purely democratic outcomes to American presidential elections.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-19T11:38:18-05:00 — #11
Oooops .... something went wrong there in my typing ... should have been "THEIR (those democrats') undemocratic behavior ...etc."
My apologies, Bill. I should have re-read what I typed before hitting the "Reply" button.
alex_vaughn — 2017-01-19T23:14:55-05:00 — #12
Yes, I agree at worst one can accuse Democrats for anti-republican behaviors. (Note: The small r)
bill_coley — 2017-01-19T23:38:21-05:00 — #13
In my earlier posts, I failed to acknowledge and thank you for this note, Wolfgang.
We know each other well enough from the couple of years that we have shared the CD space that by now I'm guessing it would take a whole lot more than what you mis-typed to offend either of us. But I appreciate your explanation and note of apology nonetheless.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-01-20T06:42:32-05:00 — #14
Seems like the USA has a large contingent of "leftist liberals" who are so liberal that one of their mainstream media is (albeit a little "covered up") propagating the assassination of the elected president at his inauguration.
The black Obama has showed his rather "dark side" during recent weeks and days ... and is still applauded by quite many "democrats" ... what a farce! We can see before our eyes, how millions of US citizens have been brainwashed by the elite, establishment, CIA driven military industrial complex and oligarchs ...
The old man's prayer over here is that this day may not turn into a "black Friday" with a murder and resulting civil war .. as civil war would seem to be the only answer the more sound American people could give to overcome their slave driver enemy in order to regain some degree of liberty .
bill_coley — 2017-01-20T10:12:40-05:00 — #15
And the poster's prayer over here is that on the first day of his presidency Donald Trump won't declare martial law, imprison the 66 million people who voted for Secretary Clinton, offer nuclear stockpiles to Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and Mozambique, then hold a sock hop slumber party with Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin.
p.s. I wanted to pray about outcomes as outlandish as the ones you fear, Wolfgang. I hope people will at least judge our two lists to be comparable.
p.p.s. I hear an alternative plan the president-elect is considering is to imprison ONLY the 2.8 million more Americans who voted for Secretary Clinton than voted for him. Quite generous of him, actually.
gao_lu — 2017-01-20T16:29:16-05:00 — #16
And it isn't over for Hillary. And it may not be just Hillary that Trump puts in prison. Yes, once exposed (by horrible, horrible Russian hackers! - as some would claim) the Clinton's tried to sneak the Clinton Foundation into obscurity, even closed it down. They had to, as the evidence would stack fast because the foundation wasn't about charity, and when Hillary lost the election, the money dried up to almost nothing.
Curiously, the liberal media may be turning a corner...slowly no doubt, but turning. Incidentally, this turning may signal the death knell for all the inflammatory, absurd, fake-news propaganda spewed by the media in recent months--inflaming riots and revealing small-minded, intolerant, bigoted entitlement worldview of certain liberals.
Here is the liberal media saying "READ MY LIPS."
"It proves what we've said all along: The Clinton Foundation was little more than an influence-peddling scheme to enrich the Clintons, and had little if anything to do with "charity," either overseas or in the U.S."
Oh how the mighty are fallen!
gao_lu — 2017-01-20T16:46:00-05:00 — #17
On another note, in the media (and it's reliable(?!) polls - hereby dubbed media Trump polls) I read yesterday, that there were expected to be at least 900,000 people present to protest the inauguration. More than 20,000 police and riot equipment were brought in. Well, the news reported this morning that in several small peaceful groups, "the crowd swelled to more than 1000." No doubt the media didn't "swell" that number either, I mean, why would they? And about 100 of them went around upending trash cans and smashing windows before (horror of horrors) the horrible, mean police used pepper spray on some of them, to stop them "from large canisters!" Boy-o-boy. There go your people who voted for Hillary!
Maybe more will show up for this "woman's march" that is coming up. Maybe. Or maybe most of America is tired of that nonsense, which is why we elected a different President.
I hope he does better than the last regime, don't you?
alex_vaughn — 2017-01-20T17:28:30-05:00 — #18
If this does happen, then I will have serious concerns about the survival of American democracy. Will this form part of a trend, where Trump uses the legal system to persecute and prosecute his political opponents?
You seem to be confusing the liberal media, and the right-wing fake-news media.
This amounts to mere speculation with no basis in reality. I pray America returns to a politics based on facts. In the meantime, Jesus remains the Messiah just as he did in many other difficult times in the world's history and in countries ruled via dictatorships throughout the world.
The national polls I saw (FiveThirtyEight and Real Clear Politics) predicted the popular vote results were within 1% and 1.4% of the national results respectively. Thus, national popular votes are quite accurate.
Where's the proof?
Women's equality and health is not nonsense. There are standing up for American ideals. Surely, Christians can respect that.
Hope of course, but I have no faith in it. And, regime is the right word for Trump's style of leadership.
gao_lu — 2017-01-20T17:36:15-05:00 — #19
Only if she is proven to be a criminal by American courts and an American jury will she be penalized. That is the American way. You are not suggesting a Trump trend (like Obama and his so-called "clemency") to bypass the legal system and let criminals go free, are you? That is not what I expect from Trump.
Nope. No confusion. This was Yahoo headlines news. I think of Yahoo as liberal media.
This was Yahoo headlines a few minutes ago. I don't believe the details, necessarily, just passing along headlines.
Amen to politics based on facts and even more to Jesus being Messiah, no matter what happens with politics
I am not offering proof, I can dig it up if you don't believe it, but so can you. My news reading is usually mostly Yahoo headlines.
IF that was what it was about, you would be right.
Regime was the term I applied intentionally to the outgoing regime. Trump, hopefully, is going to bring back a greater measure of actual democracy.
Obama regime supporters here, and sadly, here, and worse yet, here.
bill_coley — 2017-01-20T17:56:26-05:00 — #20
Alex, there is no proof for a claim that 900,000 people were expected to protest the inauguration.
You may well have conducted the same kind of Google search I did when I read the claim in this thread. If you did, you no doubt found what I found: articles whose headlines, such as THIS ONE and THIS ONE, reported an expectation of 900,000 protesters, BUT whose content made clear that the 900,000 figure was part of a prediction of 800,000-900,000 people OVERALL - not just protesters - attending the inauguration, a total attendance, by the way, that would be half or less the size of President Obama's first inauguration in 2009, and 10-20% lower than Obama's 2013 event. From what I saw on the broadcasts today, I doubt that 900,000 people attended today's inauguration; but soon enough we will get official estimates.
I suppose the lesson for media content providers is to write accurate headlines, while the lesson for media content consumers is to read more than just the headlines.
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