News & Current Events
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-09-30T07:28:10-04:00 — #1
Here is the book description from the Amazon page where the book can be ordered:
No subject is more hotly debated than the extreme measures that our government has taken after 9/11 in the name of national security. Torture, extraordinary rendition, drone assassinations, secret detention centers (or “black sites”), massive surveillance of citizens. But while the press occasionally exposes the dark side of the war on terror and congressional investigators sometimes raise alarms about the abuses committed by U.S. intelligence agencies and armed forces, no high U.S. official has been prosecuted for these violations – which many legal observers around the world consider war crimes.
The United States helped establish the international principles guiding the prosecution of war crimes – starting with the Nuremberg tribunal following World War II, when Nazi officials were held accountable for their crimes against humanity. But the American government and legal system have consistently refused to apply these same principles to our own officials. Now Rebecca Gordon takes on the explosive task of “indicting” the officials who – in a just society – should be put on trial for war crimes. Some might dismiss this as a symbolic exercise. But what is at stake here is the very soul of the nation.
Front row: Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard B. Myers, George Tenet
Back row: Condoleezza Rice, John Brennan, Barack Obama, David Petraeus
dave_l — 2017-09-30T07:45:00-04:00 — #2
I was foolishly optimistic thinking we stood a chance with President Obama to have the Neo-Con war criminals run in. And that this would help promote world peace. But in the end, people began calling him "Bush Lite" (a popular beer over here).
gao_lu — 2017-09-30T19:08:21-04:00 — #3
I think there is a very big difference. The men above were not intending evil, and did not have dark motives. They were men in power and perhaps commanding much of that power, but doing their best, given politics, information available, circumstances. They made mistakes, they may have abused power in little ways here and there. But I am sure they all go to bed at night shivering with the horror of things they know, things they wish they could have done differently. Yet that is not remotely comparable with the arrogance and hatred and murderous hearts of those we typically charge with war crimes.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-10-01T01:36:49-04:00 — #4
Their doings have caused the deaths of more millions of innocent people, the destruction of several countries, etc etc the starting of wars on false pretense ...as well as turning "the country of the free and the home of the brave" into a police state and debunking constitutional rights of its citizens ...
Does committing crimes in the name of a so-called and self-proclaimed "war on terror" change a crime into not being a crime? Just because those millions of innocent dead civilians are declared to be "collateral damage" turns an evil criminal into a "good guy"? And doing things in the name of the "world leader / hegemon / indispensable nation" justifies starting wars of aggression with the intent of regime change to install vassal puppets in order to imperialistically exploit their resources is no crime against humanity?
dave_l — 2017-10-01T04:28:08-04:00 — #5
"Preemptive strikes" = unjust war and mass murder.
gao_lu — 2017-10-01T06:31:42-04:00 — #6
You may be right. I don't know how world courts work regarding such things but would be most concerned with God's judgment. That won't be pretty.