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wolfgang_schneider — 2017-05-03T03:39:15-04:00 — #1
it won't be long until a national election for parliament is happening here in Germany ... what I read in an article about US Democracy & elections, etc is just as true over here in Germany (of course, since a vassal would not be different from its master )
American Democracy: A Dead Man Walking
In so-called Western countries, it seems indeed that elections are nothing but a show put on by the elites ... either they already get "their" candidate voted into office, or else they force any candidate thinking otherwise to conform rather quickly by obvious or secret threat coupled with presstitute propaganda
gao_lu — 2017-05-03T05:08:46-04:00 — #2
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, do you believe God is...
1. Ultimately in control?
2. Secondarily in control?
3. Primarily in control?
4. Has (or takes) no control?
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-05-03T07:14:41-04:00 — #3
that depends very much on what is meant with "control" .... I do not believe that God plays games involving humanity by actively moving some to be "bad guys" and some to be "good guys" so that He can enjoy watching Himself play against Himself ...
gao_lu — 2017-05-03T09:48:28-04:00 — #4
I am not sure what it means either, except that in the end God ultimately will control everything either directly, or by establishing parameters. I am open to ideas!
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-05-03T10:07:04-04:00 — #5
Is there such a term/expression or concept as "God in control" found in Scripture?
I am aware of God's reign / God's kingdom / etc .... but even that does not mean that God "controls" (in the sense that all ideas / actions are according to God's will, God's desire, God's plan), does it?
Illustration: God (YHWH) even speaks of Himself as Israel's KING ... but His rule over the 12 tribes did NOT mean that they were "controlled" by God to only do His will ... just even the simple fact that they desired a different king in the days of Samuel proves that God's rule over them was not forcing/controling them to do what He had planned or wanted.
gao_lu — 2017-05-03T10:21:22-04:00 — #6
Well I am headed for bed, but some things come to mind like this:
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Col 1:17
The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes. Prov 21:1
Proverbs 16:9 “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.”
Isaiah 40:23 “who brings princes to nothing, and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.”
2 Chronicles 20:6 “O Lord, God of our fathers, are you not God in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. In your hand are power and might, so that none is able to withstand you.”
In short, I am a "Free will" believer, as you know, but think that God is over all and weaves events into the thread of HIs purpose for His glory. Like we see in the story of Job, God allows so much, but no more. Like we see in the story of Joseph, or even Jesus: what looks like man's doing, is ultimately within God's purpose; and God being God and all, He has foreknowledge, and all things are according to His specific design. Rom8:28
dave_l — 2017-05-03T14:52:30-04:00 — #7
I believe in scripture, one of the names for God means control. “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (Heb.= was, is, or what shall come to pass) hath sent me unto you.” Exodus 3:14 (KJV 1900)
So doesn't this alone say God controls all?
“For in [Greek = by, through] him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.” Acts 17:28 (KJV 1900)
“In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind.” Job 12:10 (KJV 1900)