bkmitchell — 2017-08-08T06:58:06-04:00 — #1
In your opinion what do you believe all of us on these forums agree on in regards to Bible/ theology/worldview?
tyrone_howard — 2017-08-08T10:26:05-04:00 — #2
Jesus is the only way the only truth the only life. Outside of him there is no way to the Father.
Jesus Blood is as powerful today as it was 2000 years ago
Jesus is coming back again.
These are the only points I can remember that I've never seen argued (that may change today)
justin_gatlin — 2017-08-08T10:28:50-04:00 — #3
This is a very interesting question. My immediate reaction is "not much."
But I think we all agree
- there is a God
Although we disagree about what He is like.
- He made the world
Although we disagree about how/when.
- He has revealed Himself in the Bible
Although we disagree about the specific extent and whether He has also revealed Himself elsewhere.
- God loves His people
Although some believe all people are His people, others believe He loves those who are not His and some believe the original statement exclusively
- Jesus was key to God's expression of His love
Although we disagree on who Jesus is, what His death accomplished, what need it met and who that was directed for.
bill_coley — 2017-08-08T13:16:57-04:00 — #4
I applaud your list, Justin. Thanks. Though I will note that at least some of us would also dispute the propriety of using male pronouns in reference to God.
wolfgang_schneider — 2017-08-08T15:58:09-04:00 — #5
Well, I do not think of speaking of a SHE-Father God.
gao_lu — 2017-08-08T18:42:49-04:00 — #6
That list would syncretize comfortably with just about everything out there that exists including atheism. Some might stumble over the name "Jesus."
justin_gatlin — 2017-08-08T23:50:06-04:00 — #7
I just don't know how much narrower we could get and still include (as I was mentally testing positions) you, Will, Wolfgang, Dave, and Bill. That is a very big tent.
tyrone_howard — 2017-08-09T14:31:11-04:00 — #8
this brings back Memories of not getting selected for pick-up games - Looking on from the sideline (kidding)
justin_gatlin — 2017-08-09T17:25:44-04:00 — #9
Haha. I was trying to pick the people who are on the extremes to make my point.
bill_coley — 2017-08-09T18:14:18-04:00 — #10
Or, perhaps you picked the five people you picked not because they're "on the extremes," Justin, but rather because their views display the great diversity of views held by participants in these forums.
justin_gatlin — 2017-08-10T00:24:23-04:00 — #11
Thanks for restating that for me. I did not mean extremes in a derogatory sense, but just in the sense of a multi dimensional coordinate plane. I appreciate the chance to clarify.
dave_l — 2017-08-10T07:19:33-04:00 — #12
I think one of the most overlooked themes in the Bible is the division Jesus causes.
Do you suppose that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For there will be from now on five divided in one house, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.” Luke 12:51–53 (MEV)
If Christians cannot make peace with their own flesh and blood without compromising the truth, how are any to find unity with others apart from seeking out the lowest common denominator at the expense of truth?
tyrone_howard — 2017-08-10T10:56:20-04:00 — #13
Not division within the Kingdom rather division of the Kingdom from the world.
I think people just in general look for division rather than Unity because we are taught it from a child. Nationalism, Racism, Sexism, Secularism, Capitalism, Classism, Socialism, just for starters. There is of necessity Division, but not as in the world it should not be so amongst believers.
Jesus is/should be the common denominator, or should be. Just Jesus, no doctrines, no theology, no ideologies. Just Jesus Christ and Him Crucified for our sins. Knowing this to be truth and living accordingly. Either because of the works that were performed in your life during your path for salvation, or either because you know Jesus to be the savior despite having never seen anything. Long as you know this, it should unite us with others who know this. Instead we bicker over opinions, implied views vs expressed views and other aspects which present to onlookers a divided house/kingdom.
A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand, this goes for Christians too.