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lu1 — 2017-04-21T07:48:02-04:00 — #1
Over the last four and a half years, eight states and Washington, D.C., have legalized pot for recreational use; medical marijuana is legal in 29 states plus D.C. Strictly speaking, selling or possessing marijuana is still a federal crime, although rarely enforced except against large-scale growers or dealers; the new administration may be rethinking that policy. (Across our northern border, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau just introduced legislation that would make Canada the second nation in the world to completely legalize marijuana as a consumer product.) Before long, the U.S. marijuana industry will be creating more jobs than manufacturing — and joints may be as commonplace as pints.
dave_l — 2017-04-21T12:28:30-04:00 — #2
I believe any form of drunkenness is sin. People can drink alcohol without becoming drunk. But Drug users take dope to become intoxicated. So it is different all together from alcoholic beverages. Smoking is a health hazard and eating drugs still winds up as a means to become intoxicated. So I don't believe the churches should ever tolerate it.
Although I believe a greater problem exists, prescription drugs. This type of addict has an air of respectability since they involve a physician. But they are junkies just the same. And I believe this is the problem to watch.
lu1 — 2017-04-21T13:34:05-04:00 — #3
Always good to vigilante concerning addiction period.
The purpose of the post was to address that Marijuana is mainstream and becoming increasingly more legal in many States. Being mainstream and becoming legal in many States, how does the church deal with this?
dave_l — 2017-04-21T13:47:44-04:00 — #4
If the churches have a problem with non repentant prescription drug addicts, it would be inconsistent to single out marijuana users. But I believe we give people one or two warnings and then shun them.
lu1 — 2017-04-21T13:53:01-04:00 — #5
One is illegal the other is becoming legal.... Nowhere in my post was prescription drugs mentioned. I'm trying to stay focused on the topic of Marijuana use only in the church and the position of the church concerning this matter.
dave_l — 2017-04-21T14:01:44-04:00 — #6
Addicts are addicts. And when marijuana is legal you will have even more, if you do not deal with the pill poppers first.
lu1 — 2017-04-21T15:04:01-04:00 — #7
This would be helpful to focus on this topic so the conversation if other want to participate and we don't go on tangents.
1. Is Marijuana a gateway drug?...Meaning opens one up to experiment with other drugs like Mushrooms.
2. Does the Church deal with Marijuana as it does Alcohol? If so should the Church teach that it is ok, like it is ok to have a glass of wine with a meal?
3. Does the Church teach that Marijuana is something Christian shouldn't partake of?
4. Is recreational use expectable?
dave_l — 2017-04-21T15:20:10-04:00 — #8
I am interested in how you would deal with marijuana users in a church where many are legally approved addicts, while not avoiding the charge of hypocrisy. It seems if we are consistent, all addiction is sin.
lu1 — 2017-04-21T15:47:31-04:00 — #9
Well that is a fair question.
According to addiction experts Marijuana is not physically addicting.
Being addicted at one time or another to hard drugs, soft drugs and alcohol and being grateful to the Triune God that I was delivered. I wanted to know where members of the church here fall on what side of this topic. It is something that the kids / people in the Church are dealing with.
I believe that it should be important to discuss and that we should be ahead of the curve on this subject,having a well developed theology concerning this topic.
dave_l — 2017-04-21T16:04:57-04:00 — #10
If not addicting, it is still intoxicating and we should condemn the practice. But to be fair and save face, we need to condemn all drug and alcohol abuse. Some people need medicine and become addicted. But many "doctor shop" finding physicians who liberally give out prescriptions. And these have an air of respectability while they are really junkies at heart.
lu1 — 2017-04-21T16:20:49-04:00 — #11
You can't help yourself can you... lol. Marijuana is the topic
dave_l — 2017-04-21T16:26:09-04:00 — #12
How do you honestly deal with it without dealing with all substance abuse? Kids will see right through anyone in the pulpit not treating all drug and alcohol abuse equally. How about condemning only some sins and not all sin?
lu1 — 2017-04-21T16:37:50-04:00 — #13
Because I want to focus on this topic... not have it highjacked.
Once again Marijuana legalizations is the topic and the churches response to it... I don't see why this is so a difficult for you.
Anyway let other people chime in. We can see and understand your position. So let others participate if they desire too.
gao_lu — 2017-04-21T19:57:16-04:00 — #14
I think Dave spoke well to the matter of "intoxication." Some Christians will drink a cup of wine with a meal or at communion. That is not the same as the Biblical issue of intoxication. Most marijuana use is for the purpose of intoxication.
- Marijuana is a gateway drug and that warning should go out.
- The church should teach that intoxication by alcohol or marijuana or any other means is not ok.
- Partaking or expected use should be warned against.
Dave, out of respect for Lu, I propose a separate thread for discussing alcohol or other issues.
dave_l — 2017-04-22T04:46:07-04:00 — #15
I am focusing on the topic of marijuana. But the church cannot deal with it without treating all drug abusers equally.
dave_l — 2017-04-22T04:46:57-04:00 — #16
How can a church turn a blind eye to all drug abuse except marijuana and not be hypocritical? I'm very on topic and only being consistent in dealing with the issue.
gao_lu — 2017-04-22T07:01:44-04:00 — #17
I am not sure how they should do that. Do you know some that are successfully turning a blind eye and not being hypocritical? I don't. In fact, I don't know any that are turning a blind eye at all. Probably some are.
So you have any suggestions for how to deal with the problem other than "shunning?"
dave_l — 2017-04-22T07:09:10-04:00 — #18
All I'm saying is that to address the legalization of marijuana as an intoxicant, Churches will fail and be accused of hypocrisy if they do not condemn all legal drug abuse. Whether or not addicts are in the membership or not. You cannot call out one sin without calling out all sin.
Plus, even if a congregation does not have any legal drug abusers, they all have families. The congregants must treat their own abusers fairly. If one is a legally approved drug abuser, they must call him or her out too if they condemn another member for smoking marijuana. Even if done legally.
gao_lu — 2017-04-22T07:42:25-04:00 — #19
The gates of Hell will nor prevail against the church. And neither will marijuana or church strategies for dealing with it. Just saying.
In general I think your heart is the right place. Churches should address the matter.
dave_l — 2017-04-22T07:51:12-04:00 — #20
This all looks good on paper but Tares exist among the Wheat. And a good way to remove them is to call them out for their sins. Plus genuine Christians backslide and we need to call them out too, for their sakes.
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